When Did the Disciples of Jesus Stop Observing the Old Testament Laws?
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No, the Passover blood was only for the firstborn to preserve them from the second death.
The blood of Jesus was for reconciliation with the Father for those who choose to be reconciled through the remission of sins by repentance and immersion in water to walk in a new life with Christ.
The people of Christ have been given the ministry of reconciliation to all who will come to Christ to have their sins remitted during this age.
Only by blood could Jesus enter the heavenly Holy Place as our High Priest. The Aaronic priesthood had to do this yearly into the physical Holy Place, but Jesus only once into the heavenly Holy Place.
Jesus Christ is our atonement sacrifice.
TweetyBird
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Yes. Passover and Unleavened Bread were combined into the same feast. The blood of the lamb was shed.
Num 28
16 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the Lord. 17 And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten. 18 In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein: 19 but ye shall offer a sacrifice made by fire for a burnt offering unto the Lord; two young bullocks, and one ram, and seven lambs of the first year: they shall be unto you without blemish: 20 and their meat offering shall be of flour mingled with oil: three tenth deals shall ye offer for a bullock, and two tenth deals for a ram; 21 a several tenth deal shalt thou offer for every lamb, throughout the seven lambs: 22 and one goat for a sin offering, to make an atonement for you. 23 Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering. 24 After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the Lord: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering. 25 And on the seventh day ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work.
Matthew 26:17
Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
Mark 14:12
And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?
Luke 22:1
Now the feast of unleavened bread drew nigh, which is called the Passover. 7 Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed.
1 Corinthians 5:7
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
They shouldn't. It is a thank offering. A thanks for having His wrath pass over because we obeyed.
A thanks for leading us out of the bondage of sin.
What's more, no sacrifice was for intentional sin...
Numbers 15: 30 "'But an individual who does something wrong intentionally, whether a citizen or a foreigner, is blaspheming ADONAI. That person will be cut off from his people.
Hebrews 9:7)
7 But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance.
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Ben Masada
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When they died. Evidence of what I am saying is in Luke 16:29-31 when Jesus warned his disciples to listen to "Moses" aka the Law. Why? Because as long as heaven and earth were in existence, the Law would never pass away. (Matthew 5:17-19)
LOL...
Wonder what those faithful few would say about what's become from that assembly who followed "the Way".
Ben Masada
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"The Way" was a term used to describe the Sect of the Nazarenes a branch of Judaism organized by the Apostles of Jesus. New Way because the Sect of the Nazarenes was the most recent sect of Judaism to have risen in the First Century. (Acts 9:1,2) Part of the followers of "The Way," joined the war of BarCorba against Rome in 134 ACE and were almost totally decimated in the process while the other part met the same end by joining the Church of Paul and the Sect met its end as a Jewish branch.
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Lol...Brunch? They were the brunch or lox was bad?
I think you mean branch. Many walked away when they thought He meant eat Him...thankfully He clarified it as the Spirit filled words He spoke.
He never made all meat clean to eat. Human included.
The Father revealed in the life of the Son on earth demonstrated that the OT laws were man made, they developed in the evolution of Judaism, not given as directives from God.
Early in their association with Jesus the apostles began learning about the loving God revealed in Christ.
Today, in contemporary Judaism, the Jews just naturally progressed away from the more primitive laws of their ancestors although some of the more backward Jews hope for a rebuilding of the Temple and a return to sacrifices and stoning people to death for the violations of the Leviticus laws.
Other religions that had similar, man made laws also naturally stopped practicing the older traditions.
First OT laws are abolished, now they are man made.
Wow...
So when He says obey Him like He obeyed His Fsther's commands, He meant His Father's man made laws?
Notice, Jesus never said to abolish the OT law, he left them in Judaism. He didn't say stop practicing them, rather he taught a new and better way, leaving the old ways of evolved religion to die on the vine. Jesus didn't come here to be an-add on to Judaism, we aren't Christians who used to be Jews, or Christians who used to be Buddhist, or Hindus, or nature worshipers. We are disciples of Jesus with no theological need to justify converting from Judaism to Christianity as if that was a seamless transition.
But obviously there is this theological lineage born out of the need for the Jews who did leave Judaism to justify their conversion. Christian theology, the Christian religion, is brought to us by Jews who became disciples of Christ, so there is an influence of interpretation attached to the meaning of Jesus life.
I do notice that and that He instructed we keep His commandments as He kept His Father's...see? Not man made.
True disciples of the Son are seamlessly in line with His Father's previous people...that church in the wilderness as Stephen phrased it before he was killed for restoring it.
Killed by the tribe in which a conspiracy was found. This tribe went on to rule and taxed its brothers to worship which started a civil war ending temporal Israel forever. This tribe added pharasaic/rabbinic traditions which needed reform and restoration a pruning to the point the branch was replaced in spiritual Israel.
Paul speaks of this as Gentiles were grafted in their place. And even biological laws dictate you can't graft an apple branch on an orange tree much less a pine tree. The root and trunk nourish the branch, the branch doesn't change the root.
That a tribe spun away from it's origins and bore idolatrous fruit or no fruit at all is why it was cursed and replaced. This tribe was merely a perverted continuance from previous stock. And the counterfeiting continues.
Imagine if Christian Europe had insisted on keeping OT laws understanding it was no longer this Jew vs Gentile but in Him for all of us...His way. Imagine no usury and debt forgiveness for us today in accordance to Torah. Alas the conspiracy against Him remains in place as prophecied. And those who would change both times and laws seem to be prevailing...for a little while yet.
But "come out of her My people" for "here are those that keep the commandments of Yah"
Are you referring to the 10 commandments? Or the Levitical laws? The Ten were from God, then Jesus expanded that even more. The Levite laws were fro Moses as far as we can tell, those were the man made laws.
Is that why they were referred as God's law?
Nehemiah 10:29 ...these joined with their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse and an oath to walk in God’s Law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the LORD our Lord, and His ordinances and His statutes.
So man made his own penalties payments and provisions for breaking Yah's law?
And determined for himself how and in what form and manner the worship which pleased Him?
And how to best represent to others Him, His way?
Ben Masada
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Clefty, I am sorry and I thank you for reminding me of my mistake with brunch instead of branch.
That binding thingy is traditionally viewed as whoever is forgiven or invited into the citizenship of the kingdom will be welcomed.
Keys were given to the kingdom and that is understood as the dogma or teachings. The keys to knowledge and understanding.
Now do you suppose that changing the keys will allow those altered keys to open the locks they were intended?
Do you suppose the disciples desiring to follow His will to their torture or death wouldnt realize they had the power to make compromises or changes? They didn't.
It remains to be on earth as it is in heaven not in heaven as it is made on earth.
Yup great image of European Sabbath keepers and Ethiopian...
Both remain true to the root and stock...
BTW those are both apples...ya dig?
There is only one way...Through Him as He did