When Did the Disciples of Jesus Stop Observing the Old Testament Laws?

[Flaminggg]

JOHN 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the [wife] of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
JOHN 19:26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

1. Mary by the Cross of Jesus (great goddess Diana)
2. Mary the Wife of Cleophas (Anna, a prophetess)
3. Mary Magdalene (Anathema Maranatha)

1. Jesus Pays for the Sin of the 42 Generations of Joseph/Babylon in Matthew 1:17
2. Jesus Pays for the Sin by the Call of Election from Generation to Generation
3. Jesus Pays for the Sin by the "Sign of Divorce/Lord's Body" in the Events of Revelation

The Subject of Jesus is "Joseph the Blessings" and the 144,000 of Joseph's Salvation Program, so we can make the following statement:

JOHN 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own [home].

The 70 Weeks of Daniel 9 were complete when the Crucifixion was completed, that is when the 144,000 of Joseph's Salvation Program took precedence with the Holy Spirit............This completes the change to the Second Commandment (Love Jesus with all your Heart, Love Your Person as Communion with the Church)::Love Jesus with all your Heart, Love Your Person as the Marriage to Jesus. (Abstaining from Intercession/Sacraments that will choke the Hearing of the Word, because God completed the Written Word of the Gospel with the Crucifixion, therefore the only real benefit for the Hearing of the Word is simply the Chastisement the Word brings to our Heart, if Jesus doesn't intend to pay for your sin then the written word of God is of no value to you for the satisfaction of Joseph's 144,000 and there are many races and peoples of no value) (The Payment for Sin is called BABYLON in the Book of Revelations, that is a name for the Lord's Body, so that is the subject of John 19:27, and most likely when the Disciples started to not observe Intercession/Sacraments, when the crucifixion was completed and the Prophecy of Daniel's 70 Weeks were completed).

 

[clefty]

All we have sinned is how we have offended the set of Law applicable to all of us. It's not Mosaic Law. Only the Jews need to observe Mosaic Law to a predefined standard with Moses as the accuser.

To put it another way, are you saying that each and every Jew has broken the covenant God gave to them, and thus being cut off from ....what then?


James 2:10 (NIV)
For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

Genesis 17:14 (NIV)
Any uncircumcised male, who has not been circumcised in the flesh, will be cut off from his people; he has broken my covenant.

Leviticus 7:27 (NIV)
Anyone who eats blood must be cut off from their people.

So each and every Jew should have broken all the Law, such that he will be cut off from what? As no one else left for any Jew to be cut off from.

Not sure what you are driving at...it is clear all have sinned...even Moses and yet grace and mercy abounds...

Individuals sin not collectives churches nations etc...and the cutting off is until only a remnant...

Thus the winnowing fork of the harvest...first wheat from the tares and then the kernel from the chaff...

The first is separating believers from non believers the second process is seperating individuals from their church, tribe, etc as the chaff aids the kernel to maturation...

 

[clefty]

Colossians 2:16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.

Regarding this text so often used to dismiss continued Sabbath observance...beyond the fact that the Colossians were keeping the Sabbath there is this:

"The most common portion of the Bible that I have heard cited as “proof” that the bibical holy days are done away with is Colossian 2:16-17.

Here is one popular mistranslation of it:

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17, NKJV)

The above gives a rendering that suggests that the holy days are not important, like they have no substance. But that is not what the Apostle Paul was actually saying.

So, let’s examine two other translations of those passages:

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17, KJV)

16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat or in drink, or in respect of a festival day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths, 17 Which are a shadow of things to come, but the body is of Christ. (Colossians 2:16-17, Douay-Rheims)

The above translations are closer than the NKJV. However, they both added word that is not in the original Greek.

The word added is “is”. Truly literal translation leave it out as it is not in there. Notice the Strong’s words for verse 17:

3739. 2076 4639… 3588……. 3195 3588…… 1161 4983 9999 3588 5547
Which are a shadow of things to come; the…. but.. body ….is…. of… Christ.
(Interlinear Transliterated Bible. Copyright (c) 1994 by Biblesoft).

It should be noted that 9999 means that there was no word in the biblical text–so oddly, even though they knew there was no word, even the Interlinear added something that the verse in Greek did not say. It should also be noted that #3588 is most often translated as “the”.

Because the same three Strong’s words (#4983, 3588, & 5547) are used four other times in the New Testament and in those times the KJV translates it as “the body of Christ” (Romans 7:4; 1 Corinthians 10:16; 1 Corinthians 12:27; Ephesians 4:12)–as does the NKJV (The Douay-Rheims translates it that way in three of those verses; in the one that it does not, 1 Corinthians 10:16, it translates it as “blood of Christ”).

Therefore, if all the translators were simply consistent with themselves, they would have translated Colossians 2:16-17 to state:

16 Therefore let NO MAN JUDGE YOU in eating and drinking or in respect of a festival or of an observance of the new moon or of a sabbath; 17 for those things are a shadow of the things to come, BUT THE BODY OF CHRIST.

Or in other word, do not let those outside the body of Christ (the church, Colossians 1:18) judge you regarding holy days, but only the church itself. Colossians 2:16-17 is not saying that the holy days are done away.

It is sad, but most in the Protestant and Catholic worlds have misunderstood Colossians 2:16-17 because translators who know better MISTRANSLATED it.

It is poor exegesis (biblical interpretation) to rely on a mistranslation to claim that the holy days are done away with."

http://www.cogwriter.com/news/churc...sons-more-do-not-keep-the-biblical-holy-days/


So...not only were they keeping the Sabbath but Paul reinforces that the Sabbath still IS and not "was"

and now here we see that only the church, ekklessia, the body of Christ should judge fellow believers...

Another good read...

http://www.churchofgodacf.ca/q-a-7975/

 

[Lilstu]

now it will come about that
in the last days
the mountain of the
house of YHWH
will be established as
the chief of the mountains
and will be raised above the hills
and all the nations will stream to it
and many peoples will come and say
come let us go up to the mountain of YHWH
to the house of the GOD of Jacob
that He may teach us concerning His ways
and that we may walk in His paths
for the Torah will go forth from Zion
and the word of YHWH from Jerusalem
and He will judge between the nations
and will render decisions for many peoples
and they will hammer their swords into plowshares
and their spears into pruning hooks
nation will not lift up sword against nation
and never again will they learn war
Isaiah 2:2-4

In the last days for the Torah will go forth from Zion
I don't think this has happened yet...Look around...look at this Scripture
I think it is obvious that the Torah is still in play.
The Apostles continued to observe the Law [The Torah ]
Only when apostasy started did those uninformed followers stray.