These are NOT the same gospel
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Arial
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Derf
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So there are 2 kingdoms with the same king?
They both taught the gospel of eternal salvation was by means of the risen Lord.
They both taught that their circumcision of the flesh and the law of Moses was not the means of eternal salvation.
They both taught God was not through with promises to Israel.
Right Divider
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Here is one simple way to understand that the gospel of the kingdom is different than the gospel of the grace of God.
The twelve were preaching the gospel of the kingdom without any knowledge about the death of Christ for sin nor about His resurrection.
They were preaching the gospel of the kingdom to Israel only without any knowledge of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
Even later, after Christ's resurrection, we read this:
No one knew before Christ was crucified.
For if it could have been known then the dark forces would not have strived for His death.
When Christ was resurrected the same means of eternal life was preached by both.
Right Divider
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And yet they were able to preach the gospel of the kingdom to Israel.
Yes, I know.
The gospel of the kingdom had already been preached for YEARS.
Paul preached it for Israel too.
And it's still being preached, even by us, because the promise to Israel of their restored kingdom is still valid.
Right Divider
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No, he didn't.
I don't preach that people should be trying to bring in the kingdom or that Jesus was preaching "just a spiritual kingdom" while on earth. Many confused "Christians" do just that.
glorydaz
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We were talking about faith...not worship. Try and pay closer attention and these problems won't keep happening.
glorydaz
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Yep. It's the same with those who think they can lose there salvation.
Neither view has trust in the Lord.
glorydaz
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Nope. The Kingdom saints have to wait and endure to the end for their salvation when their sins will be blotted out.
Those saved by Paul's gospel are saved when they believe. We are presently saved.
You remain confused because you think salvation has to do with our body and the resurrection of our body.
Arial
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Then don't emphasize words that you don't intend to emphasize. You emphasized faith in His blood. And it was a direct one sentence response to this:
What is a person supposed to think you are saying? And are you now simply back peddling, covering your tracks, passing the buck, justifying ignorance etc?
He most certainly did.
He preached God was not through with their promise of a restored kingdom.
Well nobody can bring it in with words.
But we certainly do teach that Israel still has future promise of a kingdom to come.
You don't tell anyone that?
I do.
Right Divider
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Yes, he preached the kingdom... but the gospel of the kingdom was about the kingdom at hand.
Again, the gospel of the kingdom was that the kingdom was AT HAND.
glorydaz
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Here is what I said,
"Jesus came to set up His Kingdom on earth, but the Jews rejected Him.
Therefore, it has been postponed until He comes again."
Please try and read what is written before you have a hissy fit.
Arial
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If people could pay attention instead of flying off the handle before they even know what they are talking about, things might go a little better. She quoted that scripture in response to a particular post. The post saying it was all and always salvation through faith in God (a response to your post that there are many different faiths in the Bible. So what she was saying was that no it is not faith in God, it is faith in His blood. She didn't even quote the whole scripture.
glorydaz
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When we preach Paul's Gospel, we aren't preaching about Israel's future promises.
It's Paul's Gospel that saves.....nothing to do with Israel.