The Trinity

[JudgeRightly]

I shouldn't have called you a clown.

The rest of my post stands

synonyms:cause, give rise to, lead to, result in, bring about, create, produce, generate, engender, spawn, occasion, bring on, precipitate, prompt, provoke, kindle, trigger, spark off, touch off, stir up, whip up, induce, inspire, promote;

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"violence begets violence"

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When you say Jesus created Himself, you are putting forth a contradiction.

Being a "creator" first requires existing. And if you already exist, you cannot create yourself.

Existence is a prerequisite of creating. Therefore you cannot bring into existence what already exists.

Are you, instead, trying to say that Jesus created a body within which to tabernacle (ie, the physical body He had during His time on Earth)?

 

[Right Divider]

Was Jesus not begotten?

Was Jesus not the first born and first fruits?

Yes, begotten does not mean that He as not God. 1 Timothy 3:16

Yes, firstborn refers to His preeminence. God in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16

John 1:1 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
​

John 1:14 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. ​

 

[popsthebuilder]

When you say Jesus created Himself, you are putting forth a contradiction.

Being a "creator" first requires existing. And if you already exist, you cannot create yourself.

Existence is a prerequisite of creating. Therefore you cannot bring into existence what already exists.

Are you, instead, trying to say that Jesus created a body within which to tabernacle (ie, the physical body He had during His time on Earth)?

No, Jesus was the Body of the Christ of GOD. The creating was through the Spirit of GOD, which is the same Spirit that was in Jesus. I am quite aware that something either must first exist or be created in order to create. I am also aware that the man Jesus was not the first cause. I worded it like that to show the error in logic to someone else.

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[popsthebuilder]

Yes, begotten does not mean that He as not God. 1 Timothy 3:16

Yes, firstborn refers to His preeminence. God in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16

John 1:1 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
​

John 1:14 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. ​

I'm sorry; I do not agree that the physical man Jesus is the first cause. That isn't saying that I do not think all was created through the Word of GOD.

To me the Word is from and of GOD, and the first thing brought about which all else was formed through.
There is a difference in the Word of GOD and the physical Temple of GOD
though, to me.

I would be happy to discuss it and it most certainly isn't a thing that I won't reconsider; but it will take within context scripture and logic in order for that to happen.

I appreciate your efforts so far and in no way mean disrespect to our Lord GOD.

peace


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[popsthebuilder]

Yes, begotten does not mean that He as not God. 1 Timothy 3:16

Yes, firstborn refers to His preeminence. God in the flesh. 1 Timothy 3:16

John 1:1 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
​

John 1:14 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. ​

If the first cause is without beginning then how can something with a noted beginning be synonymous with GOD almighty (first cause)?

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[lifeisgood]

You have denied scriptures.

What I deny is your, gt's, interpretation of Holy Writ.

That sounds good.

Well, I guess you're giving me permission to insult you. Thank you.

 

[lifeisgood]

No, we are debating. Check the dictionary.

Maybe you're debating, gt, I am not.

GT: Jesus is God the Father with a physical body.
AQ: Really? Could you please provide some background to your assertion?
GT: Jesus is God the Father with a physical body.
AQ: I understand what you wrote, but could you provide proof of your assertion with Bible verses?
GT: Jesus is God the Father with a physical body. "Hoooooooooooooooooray, I, gt, won the debate."

That is gt's definition of debate.

Debate is what AMR and you did. Some day you'll get it. I hope.

 

[Right Divider]

I'm sorry; I do not agree that the physical man Jesus is the first cause. That isn't saying that I do not think all was created through the Word of GOD.

Jesus is the Word of God, just like the Bible says.

John 1:1 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ​

To me the Word is from and of GOD, and the first thing brought about which all else was formed through.

That's because you deny the Bible that says that the Word WAS God.

John 1:1 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ​

There is a difference in the Word of GOD and the physical temple of GOD
though, to me.

I don't know what you mean.

I would be happy to discuss it and it most certainly isn't a thing that I won't reconsider; but it will take within context scripture and logic in order for that to happen.

Well then just believe this:

John 1:1 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.​

I appreciate your efforts so far and in no way mean disrespect to our Lord GOD.

peace

The Word (that was God) became flesh.... believe it.

John 1:14 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. ​

 

[lifeisgood]

It doesn't matter to you.

The above is not what you, gt, said.

The below is what you, gt, said: You even ended the sentence with a period.

It doesn't matter what the scriptures say.

My counsel to you, gt, would be that you take a breather and read what you write for comprehension before you click on the post button.

 

[Right Divider]

If the first cause is without beginning then how can something with a noted beginning be synonymous with GOD almighty (first cause)?

The LORD Jesus Christ was GOD BEFORE He was made flesh. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

 

[popsthebuilder]

Jesus is the Word of God, just like the Bible says.

John 1:1 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ​

That's because you deny the Bible that says that the Word WAS God.

John 1:1 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ​

I don't know what you mean.


Well then just believe this:

John 1:1 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:1) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.​

The Word (that was God) became flesh.... believe it.

John 1:14 (AKJV/PCE)​

(1:14) And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. ​

Sir; please understand that I understand the word of GOD to be GOD.

the Word of GOD wasn't flesh initially, the Word was made flesh. So the flesh is not the same as the eternal Word.

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[lifeisgood]

How can you use such a verse when you profess that works are not pleasing to GOD?

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Another one with their LIBEL statements.

 

[popsthebuilder]

The LORD Jesus Christ was GOD BEFORE He was made flesh. Why is that so hard for you to understand?

No; Christ/ the Spirit of GOD was GOD before made flesh, and the name of the Temple/ Vessel of GOD was Jesus. The Spirit is eternal, the Vessel/ Temple is not. The Spirit/ Christ is/ was/ always will be GOD; the temporal created Vessel or Temple is not eternal or the spirit of GOD, but the Temple in which the Spirit of GOD dwelled/s.

I hope that explains my perspective better.

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[Right Divider]

Sir; please understand that I understand the word of GOD to be GOD.

the Word of GOD wasn't flesh initially, the Word was made flesh. So the flesh is not the same as the eternal Word.

Your logic is completely fallacious and ILLOGICAL.

It appears that you, somehow, think that God became less than God when He took upon Himself human flesh.

The Word of God, which you agree is God, was made flesh. That does NOT mean that He stopped being GOD!

 

[popsthebuilder]

Another one with their LIBEL statements.

It's called a question


You could try answering it instead of ridiculing me for attempting to learn.

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[popsthebuilder]

Your logic is completely fallacious and ILLOGICAL.

It appears that you, somehow, think that God became less than God when He took upon Himself human flesh.

The Word of God, which you agree is God, was made flesh. That does NOT mean that He stopped being GOD!

Okay.....that isn't the issue.....the issue is that the physical temple is not coeternal with the Spirit.

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[Right Divider]

Okay.....that isn't the issue.....the issue is that the physical temple is not coeternal with the Spirit.

Where does your gross confusion come from?

It's so simple that a child can understand it.

• The Word was God
• The Word (God) was made flesh.

The LORD Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. Super simple.

 

[popsthebuilder]

Where does your gross confusion come from?

It's so simple that a child can understand it.

• The Word was God
• The Word (God) was made flesh.

The LORD Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. Super simple.

I am not denying that. Why do you think that I am?

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[Right Divider]

I am not denying that. Why do you think that I am?

So you now believe that the LORD Jesus Christ was God in the flesh?

 

[popsthebuilder]

So you now believe that the LORD Jesus Christ was God in the flesh?

How did you deduce otherwise, please?

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