beloved57
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Post 659,please review the points I made in it with me !
The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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Post 659,please review the points I made in it with me !
beloved57
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Redeemed from the curse of the Law and how ?2
Redeemed from the curse of the Law and how ?2
Being under the curse is very solemn thing ! But now how are they redeemed out of the curse of the Law ? Is it by their Faith ? Their Repentance ?
God forbid, it was not because of anything they did or did not do, But it was by this Gal 3:13
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
You see that ? How are People Redeemed out of the Curse of the Law ? By Jesus Christ Himself, their Surety being made a Curse for them !
Thats it folks, thats all that had to be done, God has been satisfied with that, thats Salvation from all sin and its consequences, for as Paul wrote 1 Cor 15:56
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Hence, none for whom Christ died shall ever hear these words directed towards them Matt 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
The word cursed here is the exact same word as in Gal 3:13 except its in the verb form, whereas there its in the noun form !
So Matt 25:41 the cursed there cannot possible be any for whom Christ was made a curse for in Gal 3:13, because they whom He was made a curse for, have been redeemed out from the curse of the Law, and all sin , unrighteousness, unbelief, disobedience finds its strength of meaning as it is against the Law 1 Cor 15:56, So Matt 25:41 can only speak of those who never were redeemed from the curse of the Law, which they would have been if Christ died for them a curse as stated in Gal 3:13 !
Redeemed from the curse of the Law and how ?2
Being under the curse is very solemn thing ! But now how are they redeemed out of the curse of the Law ? Is it by their Faith ? Their Repentance ?
God forbid, it was not because of anything they did or did not do, But it was by this Gal 3:13
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
You see that ? How are People Redeemed out of the Curse of the Law ? By Jesus Christ Himself, their Surety being made a Curse for them !
Thats it folks, thats all that had to be done, God has been satisfied with that, thats Salvation from all sin and its consequences, for as Paul wrote 1 Cor 15:56
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Hence, none for whom Christ died shall ever hear these words directed towards them Matt 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
The word cursed here is the exact same word as in Gal 3:13 except its in the verb form, whereas there its in the noun form !
So Matt 25:41 the cursed there cannot possible be any for whom Christ was made a curse for in Gal 3:13, because they whom He was made a curse for, have been redeemed out from the curse of the Law, and all sin , unrighteousness, unbelief, disobedience finds its strength of meaning as it is against the Law 1 Cor 15:56, So Matt 25:41 can only speak of those who never were redeemed from the curse of the Law, which they would have been if Christ died for them a curse as stated in Gal 3:13 !
beloved57
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Christ's Death effects Faith/ Coming to God !
Christ's Death effects Faith/ Coming to God !
1 Pet 3:18
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
This Faith Coming to God has always been by the Death of Christ, even before He died, thats just how beneficial His Meritorious Death was, that even it effected the Faith in God of the OT Saints 1 Pet 1:20-21
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Again Christ's Death causes Faith in God, a coming to God or bringing to God 1 Pet 3:18, and His Death alone !
Now here in the text, the one having suffered for sin, the Just for the unjust, that is His having been put to death in the flesh, it had a Divine Purpose, it was that [Hina Purpose] He might us [Believers/Elect 1 Pet 1:2] to God !
The word bring is the greek word prosago :
I.to lead, to bring
A.to open a way of access, for one to God
i.to render one acceptable to God
B.in a forensic sense, to summon (to trial or punishment)
II.to draw near to, approach
A.the land which a sailor is approaching seeming to approach him See Ps 65:4
The word prosaago is the same word in the Coming of Faith Heb 11:6
The word cometh here proserchomai means:
I.to come to, approach
II.draw near to
III.to assent to
That word assent indicates :
complying ,to act in agreement with or obedience to a wish, request, requirement, or rule , obey, acquiesce !
And so that type of Coming Faith, which Pleases God, is an effect, by-product of Christ having suffered and being put to death in the flesh ! Its another way of how He is the Author of our Faith, OT and NT Saints !
Christ's Death effects Faith/ Coming to God !
1 Pet 3:18
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
This Faith Coming to God has always been by the Death of Christ, even before He died, thats just how beneficial His Meritorious Death was, that even it effected the Faith in God of the OT Saints 1 Pet 1:20-21
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
Again Christ's Death causes Faith in God, a coming to God or bringing to God 1 Pet 3:18, and His Death alone !
Now here in the text, the one having suffered for sin, the Just for the unjust, that is His having been put to death in the flesh, it had a Divine Purpose, it was that [Hina Purpose] He might us [Believers/Elect 1 Pet 1:2] to God !
The word bring is the greek word prosago :
I.to lead, to bring
A.to open a way of access, for one to God
i.to render one acceptable to God
B.in a forensic sense, to summon (to trial or punishment)
II.to draw near to, approach
A.the land which a sailor is approaching seeming to approach him See Ps 65:4
The word prosaago is the same word in the Coming of Faith Heb 11:6
The word cometh here proserchomai means:
I.to come to, approach
II.draw near to
III.to assent to
That word assent indicates :
complying ,to act in agreement with or obedience to a wish, request, requirement, or rule , obey, acquiesce !
And so that type of Coming Faith, which Pleases God, is an effect, by-product of Christ having suffered and being put to death in the flesh ! Its another way of how He is the Author of our Faith, OT and NT Saints !
beloved57
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Made us dead to the Law !
Made us dead to the Law !
Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
One of the things that lets us know that Christ's Death was limited to only a blessed portion of mankind instead of all of it without exception, is by its accomplishments, because we know that all do not partake of its accomplishments, but only some !
Paul writes here a most tremendous Truth concerning Believers only, saying to them, " Ye also are become dead to the law" !
The most important thing here is just how did this happen ? How did they become dead to the Law ? Was it by their Faith or Believing ? What about their Repentance , or Water Baptism ? God forbid, it wasn't because of anything they did, but it was solely by the Body of Christ, which simply means His Death !
Its crystal clear in the verse Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Remember when Peter writes 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
That Christ bore the belivers sins in His OWN BODY on the Tree, thats Pauls meaning when he writes :
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Thats how believers became dead to the Law, when Christ bare their sins [after being charged to Him] in His Own Body on the Tree.
Now if we are one of the Blessed Ones that Christ bare our sins on that Tree, as also stated here Isa 53:11-12
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Yes, if we are one of those blessed many, instantly and at once we became dead to the Law !
Made us dead to the Law !
Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
One of the things that lets us know that Christ's Death was limited to only a blessed portion of mankind instead of all of it without exception, is by its accomplishments, because we know that all do not partake of its accomplishments, but only some !
Paul writes here a most tremendous Truth concerning Believers only, saying to them, " Ye also are become dead to the law" !
The most important thing here is just how did this happen ? How did they become dead to the Law ? Was it by their Faith or Believing ? What about their Repentance , or Water Baptism ? God forbid, it wasn't because of anything they did, but it was solely by the Body of Christ, which simply means His Death !
Its crystal clear in the verse Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Remember when Peter writes 1 Pet 2:24
24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
That Christ bore the belivers sins in His OWN BODY on the Tree, thats Pauls meaning when he writes :
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Thats how believers became dead to the Law, when Christ bare their sins [after being charged to Him] in His Own Body on the Tree.
Now if we are one of the Blessed Ones that Christ bare our sins on that Tree, as also stated here Isa 53:11-12
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
Yes, if we are one of those blessed many, instantly and at once we became dead to the Law !
beloved57
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Made us dead to the Law ! 2
Made us dead to the Law ! 2
Now what does it mean to be dead to the Law ? Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Now understand, the Law, which is the strength of sin 1 Cor 15:56
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Sin is Transgression of the Law 1 Jn 3:4 ! It means that we have been put to death to the curse of the Law Gal 3:13
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
We are dead to the curse of the Law, when Christ bare our sins [that were charged to him] in His Own Body on the Tree, He was then made a curse for us, redeeming us from the curse of the Law, so all for whom Christ died,are by that death alone dead to the curse of the Law, which in and of itself is an aspect of Salvation Ps 106:10
And he saved them from the hand of him that hated them, and redeemed them from the hand of the enemy.
Isa 63:9
For many unlearned men would make a difference in being saved and being redeemed, they are the same !, just stated differently !
None whom Christ died for shall ever hear these words directed towards them as some will Matt 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Made us dead to the Law ! 2
Now what does it mean to be dead to the Law ? Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Now understand, the Law, which is the strength of sin 1 Cor 15:56
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Sin is Transgression of the Law 1 Jn 3:4 ! It means that we have been put to death to the curse of the Law Gal 3:13
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
We are dead to the curse of the Law, when Christ bare our sins [that were charged to him] in His Own Body on the Tree, He was then made a curse for us, redeeming us from the curse of the Law, so all for whom Christ died,are by that death alone dead to the curse of the Law, which in and of itself is an aspect of Salvation Ps 106:10
And he saved them from the hand of him that hated them, and redeemed them from the hand of the enemy.
Isa 63:9
For many unlearned men would make a difference in being saved and being redeemed, they are the same !, just stated differently !
None whom Christ died for shall ever hear these words directed towards them as some will Matt 25:41
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
What did the atonement accomplish? The theology that resulted from it put Jesus on a pedestal and left him to be a bloody sacrifice for human sin.
There were at least two strains of tradition in both the Hebrew Bible ("the Old Testament") and the ministry of Jesus.
The older of the two--that God is merciful and demands only repentance and working out our conflicts with our opponents and our enemies face to face, and a somewhat newer theology that sees God as a judge and a divinity that mandates blood sacrifice in the Temple.
The "Jesus died for our sins" has been preferenced by believers who have little interest in carrying on the literal ethics and Kingdom of God theology of Jesus.
There were at least two strains of tradition in both the Hebrew Bible ("the Old Testament") and the ministry of Jesus.
The older of the two--that God is merciful and demands only repentance and working out our conflicts with our opponents and our enemies face to face, and a somewhat newer theology that sees God as a judge and a divinity that mandates blood sacrifice in the Temple.
The "Jesus died for our sins" has been preferenced by believers who have little interest in carrying on the literal ethics and Kingdom of God theology of Jesus.
beloved57
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According to my previous post, what does it mean to be dead to the law !
Being Dead to Sin is the same
beloved57
Well-known member
You are being evasive !
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
True Atonement.....
True Atonement.....
Indeed. Although a 'mix' of the two has been attempted, since both elements exist within the traditions. See my "true atonement begins with repentance" post-portal here,....also some might also remember my no-longer extant thread "Atonement without blood". The whole 'Jesus dies for our sins' motif can undermine other religious principles, one of them being 'self-responsibility' and 'right-doing', however....some might still be able to value the symbolism of blood but interpret such in a way that is spiritually responsible, and life-enhancing, but this depends on the interpretation of such concepts, and how to rightly apply them in the greater context of life, whose end produces 'right living'. 'Ethics' must apply on all levels.
Even growing up as a little Mormon boy,....I remember getting 'CTR' rings in Primary (sunday school)...meaning 'Choose The Right',.....I don't know if they still make those, as I left the institution in the late 80s and became a born-again Christian, but that's another story. Obviously my spiritual journey has traversed much ground......
Repentance, then right doing....is always the fundamental pattern. All else are accessories.
pj
True Atonement.....
Indeed. Although a 'mix' of the two has been attempted, since both elements exist within the traditions. See my "true atonement begins with repentance" post-portal here,....also some might also remember my no-longer extant thread "Atonement without blood". The whole 'Jesus dies for our sins' motif can undermine other religious principles, one of them being 'self-responsibility' and 'right-doing', however....some might still be able to value the symbolism of blood but interpret such in a way that is spiritually responsible, and life-enhancing, but this depends on the interpretation of such concepts, and how to rightly apply them in the greater context of life, whose end produces 'right living'. 'Ethics' must apply on all levels.
Even growing up as a little Mormon boy,....I remember getting 'CTR' rings in Primary (sunday school)...meaning 'Choose The Right',.....I don't know if they still make those, as I left the institution in the late 80s and became a born-again Christian, but that's another story. Obviously my spiritual journey has traversed much ground......
Repentance, then right doing....is always the fundamental pattern. All else are accessories.
pj
miscellaneous
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You sound confused; how did I get into the captivity of Satan? Where did he get his power to take me captive in the first place?
If he's Taken you "Captive", how is it you can use a Computer from your Prison; Do they have Cable, and Nintendo there, Too?
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that should be an interesting story
can you give us a link to it?
or
can you start a thread on it?
beloved57
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Made us dead to the Law ! 3
Made us dead to the Law ! 3
Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Now by the Body of Christ, that is to say , by His Death, we were made Dead to the Laws condemning power, which also means that, although we still sin daily in regards to God's Holy Moral Law, either by tongue, our thoughts or manifested actions out of the heart Matt 15:19 ,
Because by Christ's Death making us dead to the Law, none of those sins can be charged to us to condemn us before God,
Pauls words in Rom 8:33-34
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Well that charge does include any charge or transgression against God's Law !
For instance, suppose one for whom Christ died/or a brother in Christ is guilty of what Jesus calls Adultery here Matt 5:28 and that word looking blepon means to gaze at, and its in the present tense, a continual state of gazing, lusting after her, at that time they are committing Adultery in their heart, a violation of the seventh commandment of the Moral Law of God See Ex 20:14, and before the eyes of a Holy God, this is worthy of death, even eternal death, the wrath of God Eph 5:6,
Yet this Transgression [see James 2:10-11] will not be and cannot be layed to their charge, God does not charge them with it because of whats stated in Rom 7:4 being dead to the Law by the Body of Christ !
Made us dead to the Law ! 3
Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Now by the Body of Christ, that is to say , by His Death, we were made Dead to the Laws condemning power, which also means that, although we still sin daily in regards to God's Holy Moral Law, either by tongue, our thoughts or manifested actions out of the heart Matt 15:19 ,
Because by Christ's Death making us dead to the Law, none of those sins can be charged to us to condemn us before God,
Pauls words in Rom 8:33-34
33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Well that charge does include any charge or transgression against God's Law !
For instance, suppose one for whom Christ died/or a brother in Christ is guilty of what Jesus calls Adultery here Matt 5:28 and that word looking blepon means to gaze at, and its in the present tense, a continual state of gazing, lusting after her, at that time they are committing Adultery in their heart, a violation of the seventh commandment of the Moral Law of God See Ex 20:14, and before the eyes of a Holy God, this is worthy of death, even eternal death, the wrath of God Eph 5:6,
Yet this Transgression [see James 2:10-11] will not be and cannot be layed to their charge, God does not charge them with it because of whats stated in Rom 7:4 being dead to the Law by the Body of Christ !
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miscellaneous
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How do I know to whom I am captive? My computer doesn't have that info. My prison is transparent, as are the other beings. Yea, I have cable; don't play Nintendo though.
Nanja
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That's so true! That's what being dead to the Law of God by the Body of Christ entails.
No sin can ever be laid to their charge, because they were laid to His Charge in their stead Rom 8:33-34.
What Great Love He has for His Elect Eph. 2:4; and we know
that all things can only work together for their good Rom. 8:26-28!
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beloved57
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Amen !
beloved57
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Made us dead to the Law ! 4
Made us dead to the Law ! 4
Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Folks this is a profound Truth, but they for whom Christ died are dead to the Law, and so they are dead to the sevre consequences of having sinned against it, one such consequence is death; Recall back in 1 Cor 15:56 that the strength of sin is the Law :
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Death has its right to reign because its the result of sinning against the Law, so the Law gives sin its power , which sin gives death its power. Death is the consequence of sin Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Sin here was against God's Law or Command first by Adam's transgression from this Law/Command Gen 2:16-17
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
So sense we become dead to the Law by the Body of Christ, sin cannot be charged, and so death, all types of it, can no longer be a Lawful consequence, hence all for whom Christ died, as a matter of Divine Justice must be redeemed out of death, that does include but not limited to Spiritual Death. Paul says Christ has abolished death 2 Tim 1:10 !
Thats why its important for all whom Christ died to be made alive unto God, hence all for whom Christ died, to validate the Truth that He for them has abolished death and that by His Body they are dead to the Law, they must be made alive unto God or another way of saying it is that they must be born again Eph 2:5
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened[made alive] us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
If all for whom Christ died are not made alive, its a miscarriage of Justice, and it means that Christ's death did not abolish death !
Made us dead to the Law ! 4
Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
Folks this is a profound Truth, but they for whom Christ died are dead to the Law, and so they are dead to the sevre consequences of having sinned against it, one such consequence is death; Recall back in 1 Cor 15:56 that the strength of sin is the Law :
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
Death has its right to reign because its the result of sinning against the Law, so the Law gives sin its power , which sin gives death its power. Death is the consequence of sin Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Sin here was against God's Law or Command first by Adam's transgression from this Law/Command Gen 2:16-17
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
So sense we become dead to the Law by the Body of Christ, sin cannot be charged, and so death, all types of it, can no longer be a Lawful consequence, hence all for whom Christ died, as a matter of Divine Justice must be redeemed out of death, that does include but not limited to Spiritual Death. Paul says Christ has abolished death 2 Tim 1:10 !
Thats why its important for all whom Christ died to be made alive unto God, hence all for whom Christ died, to validate the Truth that He for them has abolished death and that by His Body they are dead to the Law, they must be made alive unto God or another way of saying it is that they must be born again Eph 2:5
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened[made alive] us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
If all for whom Christ died are not made alive, its a miscarriage of Justice, and it means that Christ's death did not abolish death !
Nanja
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Amen, it definitely would be a miscarriage of Justice.
That is why all, 100% of all those Christ died for,
every one of His Sheep John 10:11, 15, will be made Spiritually Alive.
They constitute only a remnant of all of mankind, though.
The remainder which Christ did not die for will hear these words Mat. 25:41.
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beloved57
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Made us dead to the Law ! 5
Made us dead to the Law ! 5
Now what does this mean ? Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
If its indeed true that those who believe, were dead to the Law by the Body of Christ, again simply meaning by His Death, it means that Believers had a secret Union with Christ when He died for Our sins ! This is something that all religionists fail to understand, yet in order for Christ to have died legally for the sins of others 1 Cor 15:3, there had to be already established in the first place a legal union /bond, for that is first in importance; It had to be a Legal Ground and basis for God being able to charge Christ with sins of others in order for Him to die for them.
There had to be a preexisting condition/union, and that was established in the Eternal Purpose of God in Election before the Foundation of the World Eph 1:4, and so of Him [God the Father were we united to Christ, in Him with Legal Union 1 Cor 1:30
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Without such Union in Him, there was no basis for Him being a Kinsmen Redeemer for Redemption.
Thats why Paul wrote that He Loved and gave Himself for the Church Eph 5:25,26 which is His Body Vs 26, hence He was the Legal Head of His Body the Church, His Wife also, making it a Just cause before God, to charge His wifes sins to His account, or the sins of His Body to Him the Head !
Made us dead to the Law ! 5
Now what does this mean ? Rom 7:4
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
If its indeed true that those who believe, were dead to the Law by the Body of Christ, again simply meaning by His Death, it means that Believers had a secret Union with Christ when He died for Our sins ! This is something that all religionists fail to understand, yet in order for Christ to have died legally for the sins of others 1 Cor 15:3, there had to be already established in the first place a legal union /bond, for that is first in importance; It had to be a Legal Ground and basis for God being able to charge Christ with sins of others in order for Him to die for them.
There had to be a preexisting condition/union, and that was established in the Eternal Purpose of God in Election before the Foundation of the World Eph 1:4, and so of Him [God the Father were we united to Christ, in Him with Legal Union 1 Cor 1:30
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
Without such Union in Him, there was no basis for Him being a Kinsmen Redeemer for Redemption.
Thats why Paul wrote that He Loved and gave Himself for the Church Eph 5:25,26 which is His Body Vs 26, hence He was the Legal Head of His Body the Church, His Wife also, making it a Just cause before God, to charge His wifes sins to His account, or the sins of His Body to Him the Head !