The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

[beloved57]

The Gift of God is Eternal Life through Jesus Christ !

The Gift of God is Eternal Life through Jesus Christ !

We all have read Rom 6:23 one time or the other:

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Remember this verse comes after what Paul explained regarding Headship results by Adam and then by Christ Rom 5:12-21, through Adam our natural head out of Creation we earned the wages of sin, death, by his disobedience our eternal death is due, earned Rom 5:12

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

This death by sin by the one man Adam, is what Paul means by death in Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

But, on the flip side, By The Lords obedience to the Law of God for us, as a Free Gift, we become entitled to Eternal Life or the Eternal Inheritance Heb 9:15

And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Gal 3:18

For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Eph 1:11

In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

We obtained this Inheritance through Jesus Christ !

Col 3:24

Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ.

Heb 11:8

By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance[Cp Gal 3:18], obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

1 Pet 1:4

To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

This Inheritance is Heavenly and its Eternal Life, that Eternal Life of Rom 6:23, and its due not by any obedience of our own, but solely by the Obedience of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Through Christ, as a Free Gift, all for whom He died are Heirs of Promise Gal 3:29

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Thats again referring to that Eternal Life which is a Gift through Jesus Christ Rom 6:23.

And as proof of being heirs, we are born into the possession of it experimentally by the New Birth by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3-4

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,

Thats how its [The Gift of Eternal Life] initially received, by being begotten again, to an Inheritance !

Listen, everyone Christ died for must receive this Gift of being begotten again, as proof that He died for them as their Surety Head, entitling them to the Gift of the Inheritance, which is Eternal Life through Him Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[beloved57]

Perfected forever !

Perfected forever !

Heb 10:10-14

10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:

12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

True Believers were perfected forever by Christ's Death before they were even born sinners, if Christ died for our sins 1 Cor 15:3.

Now many unenlightened minds, calling themselves Believers or Christians do fail to realize that all sinners Christ has died for, hath once and for all, solely by Hos One Offering, which means His Death, they by it hath been once and for all Sanctified Vs 10 and Perfected forever ! Both the words Sanctified in Vs 10 and Perfected in Vs 14 are in the Perfect tense in the greek :

The perfect tense in Greek corresponds to the perfect tense in English, and describes an action which is viewed as having been completed in the past, once and for all, not needing to be repeated.

Jesus' last cry from the cross, TETELESTAI ("It is finished!") is a good example of the perfect tense used in this sense, namely "It [the atonement] has been accomplished, completely, once and for all time."

Certain antiquated verb forms in Greek, such as those related to seeing (eidw) or knowing (oida) will use the perfect tense in a manner equivalent to the normal past tense. These few cases are exception to the normal rule and do not alter the normal connotation of the perfect tense stated above.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Heb&c=10&t=KJV#s=t_conc_1143010

Also in Vs 10 the we are is in the present tense, meaning they were permanently in a state of Sanctification ongoing !

This is before they are born and certainly before they believe. They are these things based upon His Offering of Himself, His Sacrifice, also based upon it is the certainty of of their Eternal Glory which is the Capstone of having been Perfected by His Offering, to be ushered into a Permanent state of Perfection and Glory, Eternal Glory 2 Tim 2:10

Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

1 Pet 5:10

But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

This Eternal Glory, the Crowning Achievement of Our Perfection, and only God knows what that all entails, is the simple consequence , outcome of having been both Sanctified and Perfected by the Offerong of Christ, meaning His Death.

All of God's Elect, even in their times of being solely in the flesh, unregenerate and totally depraved, enemies of God in their minds as stated here Col 1:21

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

They are nevertheless washed in the Blood of Christ , Clothed in His Righteousness Imputed, in the sight of God ! In fact, even the Saints who are presently inn Glory, are no more Holy in the sight of God as they are while they are enemies.

In God's Sight, they are always and forever free from any charge of sin, though they may drink it like water while joined with that body of death, but yet their iniquities Christ has already borne for them Isa 53:11

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

And by that, they have been Sanctified and Perfected forever !

 

[beloved57]

It makes all of them alive /unto God !

It makes all of them alive /unto God !

1 Cor 15:22

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

For all whom Christ died, they had an interest in Christ, or else it would not be accurate or appropriate to say that He died for their sins as Per the Gospel 1 Cor 15:3

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

This is not possible if God did not reckon a legal union between Christ and those for whom He died in their place and stead !

In fact its the same legal union reckoned between them and adam of which consequence when he sinned they in him died to God; oh but what blessing it is to have been in Christ legally, because as an consequence of the same, just as in adam we all died and that unto God, likewise as a consequence of being in Christ all shall be made alive and that unto God !

Remember Paul wrote the Roman Believers Rom 6:11

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

See, we were dead to God through adam, but made alive unto God through Jesus Christ Our Lord and Covenant Head !

This is no if or maybe to be made alive[Unto God] through Christ as it was no if but or maybe that we were made dead to God through and in adam.

Yes, all men in adam before the fall in him were alive to God, sin disrupted that, but those same men in Christ, and Christ doing away with their sins, must be made alive unto God, or it would be concluded that, that which adam did to cause men to be dead to God, is of a greater effect than that which Christ did to offset what adam did, to make them alive agan unto God !

Now we know that in the context of 1 Cor 15 the subject matter is that of the Physical and bodily Resurrection of those in Christ, but yet even before that comes to pass, we dare say that a spiritual resurrection from the preceded it, because this context is speaking of and to only believers ! However the believers Physical and Bodily Resurrection was a guarantee before they became believers, it was based on being in Christ and His Resurrection as the First-fruit or their Head ! Just as the Head was made alive again unto God, which is Christ as Per Rom 6:10

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

Then all whom He died in behalf of shall be made alive unto God ! Because He is the Head / First fruit of them !

So if we are one today who believes that one for whom Christ died and rose again in behalf of, can somehow die or meet up with Christ without being made alive to God through Christ, then we are conceding defeat for Christ and victory for the devil, because that one Christ died for never was made alive unto God making evident Christ's Effect to be Superior to adams !

 

[Ben Masada]

The Atonement; what did it really accomplish?

The Atonement; what did it really accomplish?

The objective of the Atonement celebrated every year as "Yom Kippur" was a prophecy to point to the day when HaShem rejected Israel, the Ten Tribes and confirmed Judah to remain as one kingdom before the Lord forever. That's in Psalm 78:67-69.

Both kingdoms, Israel and Judah had rejected God's Covenant with His People but, God had promised David that Judah would remain as a lamp in Jerusalem for his sake. (I Kings 11:36) Therefore, Israel had to atone for Judah. Since then, Yom Kippur is still observed but in memory; no longer as a prophecy.

 

[aikido7]

Atonement theology took the focus off of Jesus as a teller of parables describing the Kingdom of God.

He is now head of a large bureaucratic enterprise to get individuals to Heaven.

That was NEVER his aim or his purpose. Jesus dying for the sins of humankind did not make its appearance in history until the year 1,000 when Anselm of Canterbury came up with it. John Calvin extended and refined it.

Christianity became belief-based where members were required to pledge agreement to a list of ancient, first-century metaphors and take them literally.
Other Christians, of course, saw their faith as picking up their own cross and actually taking Jesus seriously.

 

[Ben Masada]

Atonement theology took the focus off of Jesus as a teller of parables describing the Kingdom of God.

He is now head of a large bureaucratic enterprise to get individuals to Heaven.

That was NEVER his aim or his purpose. Jesus dying for the sins of humankind did not make its appearance in history until the year 1,000 when Anselm of Canterbury came up with it. John Calvin extended and refined it.

Christianity became belief-based where members were required to pledge agreement to a list of ancient, first-century metaphors and take them literally.
Other Christians, of course, saw their faith as picking up their own cross and actually taking Jesus seriously.

I always suspected that Jesus death on the cross for the sins of mankind was an interpolation forged into the NT later on by Christian Theologians. I hope Aikido you are right about what you say above because it does make sense to me.

 

[aikido7]

I hope Aikido you are right about what you say above because it does make sense to me.

I would not say I am right. It is merely my own conjecture based on what I have studied and concluded about our Christian historical tradition.

 

[aikido7]

Rom 5:11

11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus christ.

Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.

The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.

The atonement theology has hijacked Jesus and his preaching and substituted a sometimes hysterical fixation by today's believers in securing a place in Heaven after death.

Jesus preached the Kingdom of God ON EARTH as it is in Heaven. Heaven is just fine just as it is. It's EARTH where all the problems are.

 

[beloved57]

The atonement theology has hijacked Jesus and his preaching and substituted a sometimes hysterical fixation by today's believers in securing a place in Heaven after death.

Jesus preached the Kingdom of God ON EARTH as it is in Heaven. Heaven is just fine just as it is. It's EARTH where all the problems are.

I don't believe that you understand what I posted !

 

[Lazy afternoon]

Rom 5:11

11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.

The Atonement of Christ has reconciled the elect world to God. It secured and ensured for it [ the elect world] every spiritual blessing needed to live unto God and for His Glory through Jesus christ.

Even before the elect are born into this world as sinners, they have already [by the blood of Christ] been reconciled to God, it will now be a matter of time for it to be manifested.

The atonement accomplished the complete salvation for all whom it was offered for, that is the death of christ. It provides them Faith, repentance, sanctification, redemption, and every needful spiritual blessing to convert them to God, and remain secured forever.

One thing the sacrifice of Christ did, and which is so often overlooked, is that the world was about to be destroyed like as it was in the great flood, except by fire, if Christ had not made that sacrifice.

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


LA

 

[beloved57]

One thing the sacrifice of Christ did, and which is so often overlooked, is that the world was about to be destroyed like as it was in the great flood, except by fire, if Christ had not made that sacrifice.

Joh 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.


LA

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[aikido7]

I don't believe that you understand what I posted !

Can you be specific?

 

[beloved57]

Can you be specific?

I was !

 

[aikido7]

I was !

You merely stated that "I don't believe that you understand what I posted."

So what exactly did you post that leads you to believe I did not understand you?

 

[beloved57]

You merely stated that "I don't believe that you understand what I posted."

So what exactly did you post that leads you to believe I did not understand you?

If you dont know, forget about it ! See you at the Judgment !

 

[beloved57]

It makes all of them alive /unto God ! 2

It makes all of them alive /unto God ! 2

You see, all who were in Adam, when he sinned died to God Rom 5:12

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

In God's way of doing things, when the one man adam sinned, all men in him had sinned, and the sentence of death was passed upon all men who sinned in Adam !

The words passed upon are the greek dierchomai and means:


I.to go through, pass through

A.to go, walk, journey, pass through a place


B.to travel the road which leads through a place, go, pass, travel through a region



II.to go different places

A.of people, to go abroad


B.of a report, to spread, go abroad


And the sense is : Death passed through to all men in that no one could escape its power ! Similar to what is said here Rom 5:17,21

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

God caused sin and death to reign suprememly as to no one escaped its power,

Causing all men to be dead to God, it was not a matter of mens choice, but God's Sovereignty !

But, on the other hand, the Good News is, all men who were in Christ when He obeyed, even unto death Phil 2:8; Rom 5:19, Grace , Righteousness and Life are made to reign causing them to be made alive unto God, now if this does not happen, it means that what consequences men suffered in adam, were of greater and superior consequences than what men receive that were in Christ ! That means death reigned superior over God's Grace through Righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord !

 

[aikido7]

If you dont know, forget about it ! See you at the Judgment !

I guess we have a difference of opinion.

If I don't know or understand something someone else says, I try to find out by asking.

See YOU at the Elite Tavern. It's a block north of the Judgment.

 

[beloved57]

I guess we have a difference of opinion.

If I don't know or understand something someone else says, I try to find out by asking.

See YOU at the Elite Tavern. It's a block north of the Judgment.

Some things you can't understand, proof of that is clear, asking questions cannot help you !

 

[beloved57]

Redeemed from the curse of the Law and how ?

Redeemed from the curse of the Law and how ?

Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, HOW ?being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

We need to understand something here from the jump, being redeemed is equivalent to being saved, being redeemed from the curse of the Law is Salvation, 100 % Salvation and ensures all the Blessings of Salvation !

Its the word exagorazō and means:


I.to redeem

A.by payment of a price to recover from the power of another, to ransom, buy off


B.metaph. of Christ freeing the elect from the dominion of the Mosaic Law at the price of his vicarious death



II.to buy up, to buy up for one's self, for one's use

A.to make wise and sacred use of every opportunity for doing good, so that zeal and well doing are as it were the purchase money by which we make the time our own

Redeemed from the power of the devil !

The end or purpose of this redemption is expressed in Gal 4:5

To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

This Adoption of Sons is receiving a nature that corresponds with and manifests those who have been redeemed as Sons. A nature is given that now combats the nature we have by nature in adam !

John Gill comments on Gal 4:5

that we might receive the adoption of children; by which may be meant, both the grace, blessing, and privilege of adoption, and the inheritance adopted to; both are received, and that in consequence of redemption by Christ; and such as receive the one will also receive the other. Adoption, as a blessing of grace, exists before it is received; nor does the reception of it add anything to the thing itself; it was in God's designation from all eternity, who predestinated his chosen ones unto it by Christ, according to the good pleasure of his will; it was provided, laid up, and secured for them in the everlasting covenant; and is part of that grace given them in Christ before the world began; but sin intervening, whereby the law was broken, obstacles were thrown in the way of God's elect receiving and enjoying this privilege in their own persons; wherefore Christ was sent to redeem them from sin and the law, and by so doing remove these obstructions, that so they might receive this privilege in a way consistent with the righteousness and holiness of God, as well as with his grace and goodness: receiving of it shows it to be a gift, a free grace gift, and not owing to any merit of the creature; faith is the hand which receives it, as it does all other blessings, as Christ himself, grace out of his fulness, righteousness, pardon, &c. and has no more causal influence on this than on any of these; faith does not make any the sons of God, or put them among the children; but receives the power, the authority, the privilege from God through Christ, under the witnessings of the spirit of adoption; whereby they become such, and have a right to the heavenly inheritance, which they shall hereafter enjoy.

Now again, Christ's death is saving in that it redeems all them He died for out of the curse of the Law ! That one fact is Salvation ! Look what David writes about some in regards to God's Law Ps 119:21

Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed, which do err from thy commandments.

All men by nature are proud and err from God's Commandments and so deserve the curse,

But those Christ died for are redeemed from the curse of the Law, they are saved from the curse of the Law which equates to Salvation. The word curse katara means:

I.an execration, imprecation, curse,

what has "to go down" (penalties received) due to condemnation, i.e. the penalty-curse that results when God Himself curses (condemns) something.

men worthy of execration, 2 Peter 2:14; abstract for the concrete, one in whom the curse is exhibited, i. e. undergoing the appointed penalty of cursing, Galatians 3:13; ἐγώ κατάρα

Being under the curse is very solemn thing ! But now how are they redeemed out of the curse of the Law ? Is it by their Faith ? Their Repentance ?

 

[aikido7]

... asking questions cannot help you !

LOL. How did you get through school anyway?