The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?

beloved57

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It made us free from sin !

Rom 6:16-22

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

The redemptive death of Christ accomplished for all whom Christ died, a being set free from sin, and being made a servant to God.

This simply means that the redemptive death of Christ sets us free from the prison if unbelief and causes us to become believers in Christ. When we become believers, we become true servants to God.

Jesus by His redemtive death sets us free from unbelief or being servants of sin Jn 8:36

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed

The word free here is the same word for free in Rom 6:22 Paul uses. So Paul and Jesus are in agreement here. Its the word eleutheroō and means:

  1. set at liberty: from the dominion of sin, to be set free from another's control

This is needed because by nature all are under the control if the devil as per Eph 2:2-3

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation[manner of life] in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

That was our manner of life or conversation by nature, no exceptions. But as Peter writes, Christs Blood redeemed us from this vain conversation or manner of life 1 Pet 1:18-19

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Were not for the redeeming death of Christ, no one would be set free from sin/unbelief and become a believer, or a servant of God, so God in Christ must have the Glory for becoming a believer, and not the so called freewill or decision of man, who by nature is a spiritually dead, satanic controlled slave to sin and unbelief.
 

marke

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It made us free from sin !

Rom 6:16-22

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.

20 For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.

21 What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death.

22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

The redemptive death of Christ accomplished for all whom Christ died, a being set free from sin, and being made a servant to God.

This simply means that the redemptive death of Christ sets us free from the prison if unbelief and causes us to become believers in Christ. When we become believers, we become true servants to God.

Jesus by His redemtive death sets us free from unbelief or being servants of sin Jn 8:36

36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed

The word free here is the same word for free in Rom 6:22 Paul uses. So Paul and Jesus are in agreement here. Its the word eleutheroō and means:

  1. set at liberty: from the dominion of sin, to be set free from another's control

This is needed because by nature all are under the control if the devil as per Eph 2:2-3

2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

3 Among whom also we all had our conversation[manner of life] in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

That was our manner of life or conversation by nature, no exceptions. But as Peter writes, Christs Blood redeemed us from this vain conversation or manner of life 1 Pet 1:18-19

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

Were not for the redeeming death of Christ, no one would be set free from sin/unbelief and become a believer, or a servant of God, so God in Christ must have the Glory for becoming a believer, and not the so called freewill or decision of man, who by nature is a spiritually dead, satanic controlled slave to sin and unbelief.
If you are saved then God made you free from sin by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. If you are not saved then you need to get saved so you can be sealed with the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
 

beloved57

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If you are saved then God made you free from sin by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. If you are not saved then you need to get saved so you can be sealed with the Holy Spirit.

Ephesians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
One has to be made free from sin in order to believe and thats what Christ does through His redeeming death.
 

marke

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One has to be made free from sin in order to believe and thats what Christ does through His redeeming death.
You have the order all wrong. Here are two verses:

Ephesians 1:13
In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

John 1:12
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

The baptism of the Holy Spirit into a new life in Christ occurs "After" sinners believe, and the power to become the sons of God comes "After" sinners receive Jesus and the word of God into their hearts.
 

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Post 1521 I went into detail explaining scripture truth.

You agree that Christ saving someone sets them free, no?

Paul, quoting Joel 2:32 (in verse 13 of the following passage), says:

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” - Romans 10:9-13 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans10:9-13&version=NKJV

Romans 10 soundly refutes your calvinist doctrines, B57.

Belief ALWAYS COMES BEFORE "SAVED"!
 

beloved57

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You agree that Christ saving someone sets them free, no?

Paul, quoting Joel 2:32 (in verse 13 of the following passage), says:

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” - Romans 10:9-13 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans10:9-13&version=NKJV

Romans 10 soundly refutes your calvinist doctrines, B57.

Belief ALWAYS COMES BEFORE "SAVED"!
Did you understand it ?
 

beloved57

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I can understand why you think you're correct. But that doesn't make you correct.

Ignoring what I said won't make it go away, B57.
All you did was manifest opposition to the truth. Man naturally is a servant of sin. John 8:34

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. Hes a servant to unbelief.
 

marke

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All you did was manifest opposition to the truth. Man naturally is a servant of sin. John 8:34

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. Hes a servant to unbelief.
Sinners can be delivered from sin by calling on Jesus for forgiveness, just as the blind men called on Jesus for sight. Jesus gave the blind men sight after they asked for it, not before. Sinners receive sight after they seek forgiveness from Jesus, not before.

Matthew 20

30 And, behold, two blind men sitting by the way side, when they heard that Jesus passed by, cried out, saying, Have mercy on us, O Lord, thou son of David.

31 And the multitude rebuked them, because they should hold their peace: but they cried the more, saying, Have mercy on us, O Lord, thou son of David.

32 And Jesus stood still, and called them, and said, What will ye that I shall do unto you?

33 They say unto him, Lord, that our eyes may be opened.

34 So Jesus had compassion on them, and touched their eyes: and immediately their eyes received sight, and they followed him.
 

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All you did was manifest opposition to the truth.

Now you're being arrogant. Take heed, lest you fall.

I "manifested opposition" to your beliefs. Calling your opinions "truth" is extremely arrogant. You need to humble yourself.

Man naturally is a servant of sin.

It is naturally impossible to believe in a gospel that one has never heard.

John 8:34

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

Amen!

Hes a servant to unbelief.

What about once he hears the gospel of the grace of God?

And how is any of this relevant at all to what I said in post #1527?

Here it is again, since you haven't responded to it at all other than to dodge it.

[You agree that Christ saving someone sets them free, no?

Paul, quoting Joel 2:32 (in verse 13 of the following passage), says:

that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.”For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him.For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.” - Romans 10:9-13 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans10:9-13&version=NKJV

Romans 10 soundly refutes your calvinist doctrines, B57.

Belief ALWAYS COMES BEFORE "SAVED"!]
 

beloved57

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Atonement was effectually performed by Christ on the tree Jn 19:30

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Heb 9:12

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

And its effectually activated by Christ on His Throne Heb 7:25

5 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

John 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
 

marke

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Atonement was effectually performed by Christ on the tree Jn 19:30

30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Heb 9:12

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

And its effectually activated by Christ on His Throne Heb 7:25

5 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

John 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
By Jesus' death on the cross God reconciled the world unto Himself allowing Him to forgive sinners who come to Jesus in humility desiring to be forgiven of their sins.

2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Hebrews 7:25
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.


Jesus adds to the Church daily those that should be saved.

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
 

beloved57

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Col 1:22 To present Holy and Unblamable !

Col 1:21-22

21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled

22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

Another intended purpose for the death of Christ and accomplishment, for all that He died, is to present them Holy, unblameable and unreproveable in His Sight !

Notice it was to present #1 Unblameable ἄμωμος =

without blemish

a) as a sacrifice without spot or blemish

2) morally: without blemish, faultless, unblameable

But thats not all, its to present # 2 unreproveable anegklētos =

that cannot be called into to account, unreproveable, unaccused, blameless

Its the meaning that Paul has in mind here Rom 8:33

33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.

Its the same word. You see God never laid any charge to the account of His Elect !

And Holy !

But all this is in His Sight, though it may not be True to experience here in the flesh, nevertheless for Him to see His People like that in His Sight is because of the Imputed Righteousness of Christ laid to their account.

Now if this does not occur for each one He reconciled to God by the Death of His Son Rom 5:10;Col 1:21, then His Death failed God's intended purpose !
Not only was the death of Christ the accomplishment of Gods purpose to bring the elect Holy and Unblamable before God , in His sight, but it was also the intended purpose of their election in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

So Gods election and Christs redemptive death are in perfect agreement !
 

beloved57

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The atonement is the work of Jesus Christ on the cross by which He finished the work of His perfect sinless, righteous life, made and end to the debt of our[The elect] sin, placated Gods thrice holy wrath against us, and gained for us all the benefits/blessings of salvation.
 
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