"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
beloved57
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Life from Christ !
One of the effects of the death of Christ for everyone He died for, is that through it, they He died for should live, both spiritually and eternally 1 Jn 4:9-10
[FONT="]9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
The fact is, those whom Christ was sent to be the propitiation for their sins [1 Jn 2:1-2] it was so that they should live through[on account of] Him.
If one has their sins propitiated by Christ, they shall live because of it. Yet not all shall live, so Christ could not have been the propitiation for their sins ![/FONT]
One of the effects of the death of Christ for everyone He died for, is that through it, they He died for should live, both spiritually and eternally 1 Jn 4:9-10
[FONT="]9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
[/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
The fact is, those whom Christ was sent to be the propitiation for their sins [1 Jn 2:1-2] it was so that they should live through[on account of] Him.
If one has their sins propitiated by Christ, they shall live because of it. Yet not all shall live, so Christ could not have been the propitiation for their sins ![/FONT]
Nanja
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Amen ! The word might in 1 John 4:9 denotes God's Purpose of intention and certainty of accomplishment; that those for whom Christ was the propitiation for their sins shall Live Spiritually and Eternally. No uncertainty whatsoever, for His Death produces Life John 12:24 which was the objective and Purpose of God for His People: To make them Alive John 10:10b.
beloved57
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Life from Christ !
One of the effects of the death of Christ for everyone He died for, is that through it, they He died for should live, both spiritually and eternally 1 Jn 4:9-10
So Christ through His Propitiating death gives life to the world, not a possibility of life Jn 6:33
[FONT="]For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth [/FONT]life unto the world The world of the Elect or of His Sheep.
One of the effects of the death of Christ for everyone He died for, is that through it, they He died for should live, both spiritually and eternally 1 Jn 4:9-10
So Christ through His Propitiating death gives life to the world, not a possibility of life Jn 6:33
[FONT="]For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth [/FONT]life unto the world The world of the Elect or of His Sheep.
Aimiel
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I like the analogy Jesus made about His death before He was crucified:
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
That's the whole story of God's creation: He put a seed upon the earth (man) and it produced much fruit. He put Jesus upon the earth and His death produced sons and daughters. He always gets back more than He puts into it. He produced millions of sons and daughters and the worship they give Him is so much more than what He invested. His sacrifice is the most fruitful thing there has ever been or ever will be. We'll find out about exactly how big, wide, deep and how meaningful every portion of it is. The depths, heights, width and meanings of His Love and His Grace will be studied for eternity and never will we come to an end of finding out just how great He is.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
That's the whole story of God's creation: He put a seed upon the earth (man) and it produced much fruit. He put Jesus upon the earth and His death produced sons and daughters. He always gets back more than He puts into it. He produced millions of sons and daughters and the worship they give Him is so much more than what He invested. His sacrifice is the most fruitful thing there has ever been or ever will be. We'll find out about exactly how big, wide, deep and how meaningful every portion of it is. The depths, heights, width and meanings of His Love and His Grace will be studied for eternity and never will we come to an end of finding out just how great He is.
Nanja
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Amen Brother, this Spiritual and Eternal Life was never an offer for any to accept or reject by their so-called freewill as false teachers maintain; but was Given to the World of God's Elect, Chosen and Loved in Christ before the foundation Eph. 1:3-4. These Vessels of Mercy Rom. 9:23 were made Spiritually Alive / Quickened together with Christ, when He was raised from dead, meaning He gave them Life !
Eph. 2:4-5
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
1 Pet. 1:2-3
2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Christ gives all those He died for a resurrection in this life when they are born again spiritually, which ensures them of being raised up in the Last Day John 6:39 !
The At one ment: What did it really accomplish?
1. The identical polus "made sinners">>>"the polus "made righteous."
2. The Heavenly Big Gulp of thanatos>>>He has swallowed thanatos in victory.
3. The "whole world" is exactly that: the hilasmos of the whole world.
Our God is the Source, Guide, Goal of ta panta
1. The identical polus "made sinners">>>"the polus "made righteous."
2. The Heavenly Big Gulp of thanatos>>>He has swallowed thanatos in victory.
3. The "whole world" is exactly that: the hilasmos of the whole world.
Our God is the Source, Guide, Goal of ta panta
beloved57
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Those Christ died for, and rose again in behalf of are never going to be condemned, and by His death alone for them it accomplished their Justification before God ! Rom 4:25
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
The word justification here dikaiósis means:
the act of pronouncing righteous, acquittal
Usage: acquittal, justifying, justification, a process of absolution.
Its the very same word Paul used in Rom 5:18 for Justification of life, so Christ death for the elect resulted in their Justification of life, which the Resurrection of Christ attests to.
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
The word justification here dikaiósis means:
the act of pronouncing righteous, acquittal
Usage: acquittal, justifying, justification, a process of absolution.
Its the very same word Paul used in Rom 5:18 for Justification of life, so Christ death for the elect resulted in their Justification of life, which the Resurrection of Christ attests to.
Nanja
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Amen, Christ's Death and Resurrection from the dead Rom. 4:25, was not only as a private individual [of Himself], but for the Justification of His Body of whom He is their Head. All God's Elect had been Chosen In Union with Him Eph. 1:4 to have forgiveness of sins and an Eternal Inheritance Eph. 1:7, 11; His Church whom He is Head of, and Atoned for Eph. 5:23, 25, 27. So consequently, when Christ was delivered up, so were they; and likewise were raised together with Him to Justification of Life, which Blessedly resulted in them being totally acquitted and absolved from all sin they would commit in time Rom. 4:25, and so were never under condemnation period.
The meaning of the atonement is that Christ suffered for our sin so we could be made righteous before God.
beloved57
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Christs Death or Offering accomplished the Sanctification of all those He died for Heb 10:10
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 13:12
12 Wherefore Jesus also, that [so that] he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
His Death accomplished their sanctification unto God before they are born. Just like it did Jerimiah Jer 1:5
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 13:12
12 Wherefore Jesus also, that [so that] he might sanctify the people with his own blood, suffered without the gate.
His Death accomplished their sanctification unto God before they are born. Just like it did Jerimiah Jer 1:5
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Calvinists mistakenly assume God saves those He chooses to save and for reasons that have nothing to do with anything the sinner can say, think, or do. What that does is reduce the death of Christ to not much more than a theatrical production designed and carried out by God who did not need a sacrifice of any sort to save sinners in such a scenario.
Christ died for the sins of the entire world, but salvation is not attained by any sinner who refuses to repent of sins and come to Jesus for salvation. Just like Nicodemus, just because he was one of the elect did not release him from his obligation to repent of his sins and be born again.
beloved57
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You dont have a clue do you ? Did you understand the post ?
beloved57
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You still clueless, according to Heb 10:14 what did Christ offering Himself accomplish ? And for who ?
Are you claiming God could not save anyone without first offering Jesus on the cross as a sacrifice for sins? Why not? Because God cannot do wrong and to save a sinner without a sacrifice would be wrong?