beloved57
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Romans Chapter 9 and Calvinism
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See my threads!
beloved57
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You evade my explanation!
You don't have an explanation.
Do you think that I am going to pour through your thousands of threads to see what you believe?
beloved57
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My threads testify against you! I have explained my points many times but you choose to evade them!
Nanja
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You're right, Pate doesn't believe those scriptures!
Instead of comparing all the scriptures 2 Tim. 3:16; 1 Cor 2:13 to come to Truth,
Pate picks and chooses which scriptures he considers to be valid and disregards all the rest.
He despises Eph. 1:3-6 because those verses testify to the Gospel Truth that God
already decided to have Mercy and give His Grace to only a Limited, particular People
of His own choosing in Christ, for Him to die for as their Head and Surety;
and all before the world even began 2 Tim. 1:9.
To Pate, all of that shows God to be unjust, which is outright blasphemy:
turning God's Grace into lasciviousness Jude 1:4.
It bears evidence of him being in a lost state, and having a blinded mind:
2 Cor. 4:3-4 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not,
lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
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beloved57
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Amen!
Nanja
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It's a Blessing from God, and according to His Will and Purpose,
that you're here on this forum preaching pure Gospel Truth!
2 Cor. 2:14-17
(v.14) Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ,
and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.
(v.15 ) For we are unto God a sweet savour of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish:
(v.16) To the one we are the savour of death unto death; and to the other the savour of life unto life.
And who is sufficient for these things? (v.17) For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God:
but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
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beloved57
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It is a blessing, something that I could not have done by natural ability !
j4jesus09
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God causes us supernaturally to know him. To know that the God of Jesus Christ is the real God is not something one can believe naturally. It takes an act of God. This is not given to everyone person. If it was given the same exact way to every person then every person would respond the same right. No, because people are different. It's way more complex then you just make a choice. God is orchestrating so much we could never understand wholly. But we can understand one thing is was already planned.
Romans 1:18, 19, 20, 21. 22, 23.
All I need is one scripture to refute your phony doctrine.
Here it is.
"God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16.
Nanja
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You don't understand the true meaning of that verse,
and most likely never will 2 Cor. 4:3-4.
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Nanja
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Amen!
God has sufficiently given you the Grace to accomplish exactly that which He has Purposed
in you to bring Glory to Him. And I am a witness to His Grace made manifest in you!
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beloved57
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I am very humbled by your gracious words, May He be Praised!
beloved57
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Those Christ lived and died for He believed for them! They have everlasting life and shall never perish!
j4jesus09
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Romans Chapter 9 and Calvinism
Yes, is this speaking about every individual or to a certain group of people who would be identified with this scripture? It clearly states who hold the truth in unrighteousness. So right there it identifies who is being spoken of. So who is holding the truth and clearly lying on God? Do you believe everyone knows the truth? The demons know who God is and tremble but they lie on God and accuse etc. It appears there are men out here like that who know the truth but clearly have an agenda to lie against God and His word.
Yes, is this speaking about every individual or to a certain group of people who would be identified with this scripture? It clearly states who hold the truth in unrighteousness. So right there it identifies who is being spoken of. So who is holding the truth and clearly lying on God? Do you believe everyone knows the truth? The demons know who God is and tremble but they lie on God and accuse etc. It appears there are men out here like that who know the truth but clearly have an agenda to lie against God and His word.
Please do explain to us the true meaning of John 3:16, also 1 John 2:2 and 1 John 4:14.
We will be waiting to hear your answer.
Not everyone wants the truth.
People want to believe what they want to believe.
Problem is that they don't want to believe God. Everything has been revealed in the Bible. Those that do not want to believe God's word pervert and twist the scriptures to their own likeing.
j4jesus09
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Agreed, that not everyone wants the truth and everything has been revealed in the bible. The point though is God has already worked out this before we existed! That is why the word is the greatest book of PROPHECY. That means it has already happened according to God. The bible reveals this time and time again. We are babies continuing to mature into adults spiritually. Same as a baby coming into more realization about their daddy and mommy. How many godly parents don't teach there children? God individually and intimately teaches us who are his children by his knowledge and not ours. We don't know the number of his children but we continue to pray for each and every individual for God to reveal himself to them. You may say he teaches everyone. But that is that the case? The devil has deceived people that are particularly assigned to him and will have no relationship with God. Judas, pharaoh, etc. so we must not perceive these people as ourselves. They were designed differently for different purposes. God directs a KINGS hearts wherever he chooses. Should we think it would be any different for a common man?
“The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will.”
**Proverbs *21:1 *KJV