beloved57
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The Bible Teaches Indiviual Predestination in the Gospel Eph 1:3-6 who do you think the us are but infividual believers ?
Romans Chapter 9 and Calvinism
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The Bible Teaches Indiviual Predestination in the Gospel Eph 1:3-6 who do you think the us are but infividual believers ?
What do you think that this means"?
"According as he has chosen "us" in him before the foundation of the world".
The "US" is all of humanity.
Remember, God is no respector of persons, Acts 10:34.
beloved57
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So in spite of scripture you continue to reject the truth that God predestinated individuals to Salvation! Ephesians 1:3-6! What you think Us means if not individuals? You think it means animals or gold fish!
The Bible does not say that God predestinates anyone to heaven or to hell. Show me the scripture.
Jesus is God's elect man. He is the one that was chosen before the foundation of the world. We become God's elect by faith in Jesus and his Gospel.
beloved57
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You the one looking foolish here bud, Ephesians 1:3-6 is the bible!
Dialogos
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The Greek word προορίζω occurs 6 times. How many times does it have to occur before we take it seriously?
The word "elect" is in the bible 23 times, and the word.
Nevertheless, counting how many times a word shows up is probably the worst way to do theology.
The bible only has to say something once for it to be true. And the best way to determine doctrine is to carefully exegete the passage(s) and then come to a conclusion.
It does say that those who are predestined are the same ones that are glorified (Romans 8:29-30). If being glorified isn't about going to heaven then you are going to have to explain to us all what it means.Pate said:
Lets take Pharaoh for example, is he in heaven or hell do you think?Pate said:
Said Robert, hypocritically....Pate said:
If you will take the time to actually engage my two previous posts you will find that I show precisely where you read something into Romans 9:10-16 that not only isn't in the text, your commentary is actually the antithesis of what the text actually says.
Remember this Bob?
me said:
Now, why don't you level with me. Are you going to address this challenge or no?
What challenge?
There is no election without a purpose.
It was God's plan that Jacob was to be a patriarch that would lead to Christ.
The scripture says, "That the PURPOSE of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calls" Romans 9:11.
Mary was also called to be the mother of Jesus.
beloved57
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Read my threads !
Answer the question.
God chose all of humanity in Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ is God's new Adam and our new humanity.
beloved57
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I answered with read my Threads, they tell you what I believe about being in Christ, a extensive answer at that!
When you are stumped it is always "Read my threads".
beloved57
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You asked me what I believe!
Nanja
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Read in context, they are individuals who are believers.
That's who Paul is addressing in Eph. 1:1: "to the saints...to the faithful in Christ Jesus";
chosen and predestinated to become God's Children Eph. 1:4-5.
God predestinated them to inherit Eternal Life Eph. 1:11.
Pate
Incorrect! Humanity is comprised of two groups of people:
1) The Sheep whom Christ gave His Life for John 10:11; 15
who have been given Eternal Life John 10:28.
2) The Goats or tares which the devil sowed into the world:
who have been predestined or ordained to be condemned Jude 1:4;
and the same group is also referred to as vessels of wrath
fitted for destruction Rom. 9:22.
God never loved them or their father John 8:44!
Mat. 13:38-39
(v.38) The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom;
but the tares are the children of the wicked one; (v.39)
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world;
and the reapers are the angels. (v.40) As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire;
so shall it be in the end of this world.
Pate
Verse 34 is ended with a colon which points to the explanation coming in verse 35. So they must be read together:
Acts 10:34-35 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
(v.35) But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
It matters not which nation an individual is from (jew or gentile), but what matters is whether he fears God
and works righteousness, which points to only God's Elect.
Only they are made Righteous in Christ, their Covenant Head and Surety Rom. 5:19; Eph. 1:7, and Fear God Acts 13:26.
God Loves every one that He had Chosen in Christ to be His Adopted Children Eph. 1:4-5; John 13:33-34!
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Calvinists believe that God is exactly the opposite. The thing is, a lot of people are naive about God- He does not play, and often times, from a human perspective, He comes off as overly severe.
beloved57
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The US is Gods Elect Israel apart from humanity in general Deut 7:6!
Nanja
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The reason that no one has been predestinated is because God does NOTHING outside of his Son Jesus Christ.
Calvinism is a doctrine that leaves out Jesus Christ.
They want to believe that God declared them to be saved.
No one will be saved that has not come to Christ as a repentant sinner.
Calvinism is a doctrine that leaves out Jesus Christ.
They want to believe that God declared them to be saved.
No one will be saved that has not come to Christ as a repentant sinner.
beloved57
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You still don't believe Eph 1:3-6!