God does not cause or make people to do evil. If you believe that he does, then you should throw your Bible in the trash. Because he is an unjust, unmerciful, unrighteous tyrant that delights in sending pepole to hell and cannot be trusted.
Romans Chapter 9 and Calvinism
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God does not cause or make people to do evil. If you believe that he does, then you should throw your Bible in the trash. Because he is an unjust, unmerciful, unrighteous tyrant that delights in sending pepole to hell and cannot be trusted.
Brother Ducky
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Why would you think that the Mark passage has any applicability to the Joshua passage?
Brother Ducky
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Sounds a bit like predestination to me, but with a very poor definition of "reprobate." People are his, or they are not.
People harden their hearts towards Christ and his Gospel. You may be one of them.
HOGWASH!
People are being converted and coming to Christ everyday. The Holy Spirit is in the world calling all to come to Christ, Hebrews 3:15.
beloved57
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Those God called are Justified and Glorified Rom 8:30!
Nanja
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God is Sovereign in all that He does, and He alone determines the will
of all those He Created: The Elect, as well as the non-elect.
The vessels of wrath God fitted / prepared for destruction in Rom. 9:23
are the same as those who were reserved for the day of destruction Job 21:30:
The non-elect God made for the day of evil Prov, 16:4;
those God ordained to be condemned Jude 1:4; John 3:18.
Dan. 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing:
and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among
the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him,
What doest thou?
Job 23:13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and
what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
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of all those He Created: The Elect, as well as the non-elect.
The vessels of wrath God fitted / prepared for destruction in Rom. 9:23
are the same as those who were reserved for the day of destruction Job 21:30:
The non-elect God made for the day of evil Prov, 16:4;
those God ordained to be condemned Jude 1:4; John 3:18.
Dan. 4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing:
and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among
the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him,
What doest thou?
Job 23:13 But he is in one mind, and who can turn him? and
what his soul desireth, even that he doeth.
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Romans 8:29, 30, does not say that anyone was predestinated to eternal life. What it does say is..."They were predestinated to be conformed to the image of his Son".
There is no scripture anywhere in the Bible about anyone being predestinated to heaven or to hell.
beloved57
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There's a scripture that says they whom God called them He also Justified and Glorified Rom 8:30
God does NOTHING outside of his holy nature.
All that he does is according to his just, merciful, righteous nature.
He cannot and will not violate who he is.
He is holy, holy, holy, beyond human comprehension.
You are assuming that the scripture teachs predestination. But it doesn't.
Paul is not a Calvinist and then justified by faith. They are opposing doctrines.
beloved57
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What does Rom 8:30 say about them Called by God?
Nanja
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God is Holy and does according to His Sovereign Will.
Yet you continue in your audacity to blaspheme God,
judging His Righteousness according to your own carnal wisdom.
Those who consistently refuse to believe all of the scriptures,
such as yourself, are the lost, whose minds the devil has blinded,
and all according to God's Purpose 2 Cor. 4:3-4.
2 Tim. 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
for instruction in righteousness:
I believe all of the Scriptures including these:
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God's Holy, Just, Merciful, Righteous nature is NOT overided by his sovereignty.
All that God is and all that God does, he does within the frame work of his Holy just nature.
This is why you have NOT been predestinated around His Son Jesus Christ.
You are a sinner. You need to be justified by the doing and the dying of Jesus, Romans 3:26.
You need to become a Christ believing and trusting, "Whosoever".
"Whosoever that shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
The call is to come and trust in Christ for your salvation.
NOT to becoming a Calvinist.
beloved57
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What did it say about them He Called? Read it!
beloved57
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Those Christ lived and died for have believed, He believed for them since He kept the Law for them!
beloved57
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I mean, i would believe you if other scripture didn't say the exact opposite)
I don't care if you don't believe me! Christ fulfilled the Law for them He lived and died for!
Jesus Christ is God's new Adam and humanities new representative.
What he did he did for all, so that now, "Whosoever that shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved" Romans 10:13.
beloved57
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All for whom Christ lived and died for, He did everything for them for God to save them! He obeyed Gods Law Perfectly for them, He believed God for them!
You don't believe that do you?