Ph.D in Pot & the G.H.W. Bush Legacy

[Stripe]

Watch Stripe dodge again.

Feel free to sober up before you post. :up:

 

[Arthur Brain]

but why would they think they should keep dope away from their job if it wasn't going to make them high?

after all, artie tells them, confidently: "a single inhalation of a spliff is not going to make someone high"


why shouldn't that neurosurgeon/schoolbus driver/pilot/soldier/mechanic take a single toke on a joint if it's not going to make them high?

And as before, it smacks of being completely unprofessional and a sign of dependency. If I was driving then I wouldn't drink at all. A single pint of beer or two isn't going to make me drunk or high but it will still have had an effect on the senses even if minor. Get it now?

 

[Arthur Brain]

...that, surprisingly, there are health benefits related to smoking/tobacco use

for example, Parkinson's:

Nicotine Could Help Fight Parkinson’s Disease Epidemiological data has long shown that smokers—while way more likely to get cancer, heart disease, stroke, and more—are actually less likely to develop Parkinson’s disease. Because of the close association nicotine has with cigarettes and their ills, it’s been tough for researchers to get funding for human studies, but years of research on other mammals has yielded some pretty positive results and led to a large trial funded by the Michael J. Fox Foundation that’s currently underway. “Over the years, people have tested this idea in mice and rats and monkeys, and we found that nicotine can protect against the damage that occurs in Parkinson’s disease in the brains of monkeys,” says Maryka Quik, a former senior research scientist at The Parkinson's Institute. Of the dozens of studies Quik has worked on in this area, one of the best known found that monkeys suffering from dyskinetic movements—involuntary movements common in Parkinson’s —experienced a 60 to 70 percent reduction in movements when treated with nicotine-laced water. This could be because the nicotine molecule fits into receptors for the neurotransmitter acetylcholine, which may give it the capacity to moderate other families of receptors in the brain. “In Parkinson’s disease there is a degeneration of neurons, and nicotine has been shown to increase some growth factors in the brain,” Quik says. “So it’s possible that nicotine can partially prevent the degeneration that happens in the brain by increasing these growth factors.” https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/xw7agz/four-surprising-potential-health-benefits-of-nicotine

Smoking lowers risk of Parkinson's disease Numerous studies have identified the uncanny inverse relationship between smoking and Parkinson's disease. Long-term smokers are somehow protected against Parkinson's, and it's not because smokers die of other things earlier. [10 Easy Paths to Self-Destruction] The most recent, well-conducted study was published in a March 2010 issue of the journal Neurology. Far from determining a cause for the protective effect, these researchers found that the number of years spent smoking, more so than the number of cigarettes smoked daily, mattered more for a stronger protective effect. Harvard researchers were among the first to provide convincing evidence that smokers were less likely to develop Parkinson's. In a study published in Neurology in March 2007, these researchers found the protective effect wanes after smokers quit. And they concluded, in their special scientific way, that they didn't have a clue as to why. https://www.livescience.com/15115-5-health-benefits-smoking-disease.html

3.28.2 Parkinson's disease An association between smoking and a lower incidence of Parkinson's disease has been observed in a number of studies.9, 10 An analysis of longitudinal studies found a protective effect against Parkinson's disease for current and former smokers compared with those who had never smoked; the risk of Parkinson's disease was reduced by about half among ever smokers (RR 0.51; 95% CI, 0.43–0.61) and this protective effect was more pronounced among current smokers, where the risk was about one-third that of never smokers (RR 0.35; 95% CI, 0.26–0.47).10 Similar findings of a protective effect for Parkinson's disease were also reported from a case–control study conducted in Japan.9 Nicotine is thought to be the chemical in tobacco smoke mostly likely to be implicated in this finding, but there may be other chemicals or compounds involved.11-13 Based on data from 2004–05 we can derive theoretical estimates that about 97 deaths from Parkinson's disease are prevented by smoking in Australia annually.2 Finally, recent research also suggests that nicotine can improve compromised semantic processing in Parkinson's disease, and also influence semantic processing in healthy older individuals;14 however, the 2014 US Surgeon General’s report found that controlled trials of the effects of nicotine on cognitive function in patients with Parkin¬son’s disease are limited, with inconsistent findings.6 https://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-3-health-effects/3-28-health-benefits-of-smoking-

So, not necessarily smoking but nicotine itself then. You really are desperate on this.

 

[ok doser]

And as before, it smacks of being completely unprofessional..

but the result (according to you) is the same as if they were vaping

and a sign of dependency.

a definitive sign of dependency?

...it will still have had an effect on the senses...

a single toke on a joint will still have an effect on the senses?

 

[ok doser]

So, not necessarily smoking...

the effect was first recognized in smokers

do understand the language used here?

Epidemiological data has long shown that smokers—while way more likely to get cancer, heart disease, stroke, and more—are actually less likely to develop Parkinson’s disease.

 

[Arthur Brain]

but the result (according to you) is the same as if they were vaping

On standard stuff it's not gonna make someone high.

a definitive sign of dependency?

A likely indicator. Where I've worked it would be a disciplinary offence to be drinking on the job no matter what the amount.

a single toke on a joint will still have an effect on the senses?

A minor one, not one that makes people fall around in a fit of giggles. Is there some OCD going on with you where you can't just quote people's posts in full?

 

[Arthur Brain]

the effect was first recognized in smokers

do understand the language used here?

Epidemiological data has long shown that smokers—while way more likely to get cancer, heart disease, stroke, and more—are actually less likely to develop Parkinson’s disease.

Do you understand the language used in the links you've cited?



If nicotine itself is the factor that can help fight parkinsons disease then smoking tobacco itself isn't a cure.

 

[ok doser]

...a single inhalation of a spliff is not going to make someone "high".

...a single toke on a joint will still have an effect on the senses?

A minor one...

so, a little high?

 

[ok doser]

... smoking tobacco itself isn't a cure.

strawman

you made the claim:

... smoking tobacco. There are no health benefits to that...

which is demonstrably wrong

 

[User Name]

Feel free to set the record straight regarding your views on alcohol and tobacco and whether they should be illegal or not.

(Watch Stripe dodge again.)

As I predicted, Stripe dodged:

Feel free to sober up before you post. :up:

Even if I were blitzed I could still run circles around Stripe.

 

[Arthur Brain]

strawman

you made the claim:

which is demonstrably wrong

Um, no. There's nothing concrete at all about how smoking tobacco is beneficial and your own links were at pains to point that out. Quite the reverse including the one you hadn't even read. If there's possible benefits through nicotine where it comes to fighting Parkinsons then it's not due to smoking forty a day.

Get a grip.

 

[Stripe]

As I predicted, Stripe dodged:Even if I were blitzed I could still run circles around Stripe.

By lying.

You falsely attributed an idea to me and now I'm dodging because I won't respond to your nonsense.

Typical Darwinist.

 

[Arthur Brain]

As I predicted, Stripe dodged:



Even if I were blitzed I could still run circles around Stripe.

Not a major feat...

 

[Arthur Brain]

so, a little high?

No.

:AMR:

 

[ok doser]

...you made the claim:

... smoking tobacco. There are no health benefits to that...

which is demonstrably wrong

...no.

allow me to demonstrate:

Nicotine Could Help Fight Parkinson’s Disease Epidemiological data has long shown that smokers—while way more likely to get cancer, heart disease, stroke, and more—are actually less likely to develop Parkinson’s disease. Because of the close association nicotine has with cigarettes and their ills, it’s been tough for researchers to get funding for human studies, but years of research on other mammals has yielded some pretty positive results and led to a large trial funded by the Michael J. Fox Foundation that’s currently underway. “Over the years, people have tested this idea in mice and rats and monkeys, and we found that nicotine can protect against the damage that occurs in Parkinson’s disease in the brains of monkeys,” says Maryka Quik, a former senior research scientist at The Parkinson's Institute. Of the dozens of studies Quik has worked on in this area, one of the best known found that monkeys suffering from dyskinetic movements—involuntary movements common in Parkinson’s —experienced a 60 to 70 percent reduction in movements when treated with nicotine-laced water. This could be because the nicotine molecule fits into receptors for the neurotransmitter acetylcholine, which may give it the capacity to moderate other families of receptors in the brain. “In Parkinson’s disease there is a degeneration of neurons, and nicotine has been shown to increase some growth factors in the brain,” Quik says. “So it’s possible that nicotine can partially prevent the degeneration that happens in the brain by increasing these growth factors.” https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/xw7agz/four-surprising-potential-health-benefits-of-nicotine

Smoking lowers risk of Parkinson's disease Numerous studies have identified the uncanny inverse relationship between smoking and Parkinson's disease. Long-term smokers are somehow protected against Parkinson's, and it's not because smokers die of other things earlier. The most recent, well-conducted study was published in a March 2010 issue of the journal Neurology. Far from determining a cause for the protective effect, these researchers found that the number of years spent smoking, more so than the number of cigarettes smoked daily, mattered more for a stronger protective effect. Harvard researchers were among the first to provide convincing evidence that smokers were less likely to develop Parkinson's. In a study published in Neurology in March 2007, these researchers found the protective effect wanes after smokers quit. And they concluded, in their special scientific way, that they didn't have a clue as to why. https://www.livescience.com/15115-5-health-benefits-smoking-disease.html

3.28.2 Parkinson's disease An association between smoking and a lower incidence of Parkinson's disease has been observed in a number of studies.9, 10 An analysis of longitudinal studies found a protective effect against Parkinson's disease for current and former smokers compared with those who had never smoked; the risk of Parkinson's disease was reduced by about half among ever smokers (RR 0.51; 95% CI, 0.43–0.61) and this protective effect was more pronounced among current smokers, where the risk was about one-third that of never smokers (RR 0.35; 95% CI, 0.26–0.47).10 Similar findings of a protective effect for Parkinson's disease were also reported from a case–control study conducted in Japan.9 Nicotine is thought to be the chemical in tobacco smoke mostly likely to be implicated in this finding, but there may be other chemicals or compounds involved.11-13 Based on data from 2004–05 we can derive theoretical estimates that about 97 deaths from Parkinson's disease are prevented by smoking in Australia annually.2 Finally, recent research also suggests that nicotine can improve compromised semantic processing in Parkinson's disease, and also influence semantic processing in healthy older individuals;14 however, the 2014 US Surgeon General’s report found that controlled trials of the effects of nicotine on cognitive function in patients with Parkin¬son’s disease are limited, with inconsistent findings.6 https://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-3-health-effects/3-28-health-benefits-of-smoking-

 

[ok doser]

...a single inhalation of a spliff is not going to make someone "high".

...a single toke on a joint will still have an effect on the senses?

A minor one...

so, a little high?

No.

what "minor effect on the senses" did you have in mind?

 

[Arthur Brain]

allow me to demonstrate:

If nicotine is the integral component in fighting Parkinson's disease then long term smokers would have more of that in their system so smoking tobacco itself isn't the benefit unless the plethora of carcinogens in tobacco is suddenly a benefit as well? Give it up man. You don't even read your own links properly.

 

[Arthur Brain]

what "minor effect on the senses" did you have in mind?

Learn to quote people in full and maybe you won't have so many questions that need to be addressed time and again...

Seriously, have you got some form of OCD that compels you to edit what other people write?

:AMR:

 

[ok doser]

...you made the claim:

... smoking tobacco. There are no health benefits to that...

which is demonstrably wrong

...no.

allow me to demonstrate:

(indicates that the demonstration failed)

here - i'll make it easier for you to see:

smokers...are actually less likely to develop Parkinson’s disease. https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/xw7agz/four-surprising-potential-health-benefits-of-nicotine

Smoking lowers risk of Parkinson's disease...Long-term smokers are somehow protected against Parkinson's ...smokers were less likely to develop Parkinson's. https://www.livescience.com/15115-5-health-benefits-smoking-disease.html

An association between smoking and a lower incidence of Parkinson's disease has been observed https://www.tobaccoinaustralia.org.au/chapter-3-health-effects/3-28-health-benefits-of-smoking-

 

[ok doser]

...a single inhalation of a spliff is not going to make someone "high".

...a single toke on a joint will still have an effect on the senses?

A minor one...

so, a little high?

No.

what "minor effect on the senses" did you have in mind?

(non-answer)

what "minor effect on the senses" did you have in mind?