Looks like IP "The Great Novelist" got his feelings hurt. 
ECT Words have meaning unless of course you have bit into the lie of MAD.
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Interplanner
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Looks like IP "The Great Novelist" got his feelings hurt.
No, rather your inability to come to terms with the truth of the passage is showing in several ways, and I wish I could help, but I don't think I can.
marhig
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Too right! I read the KJV too, and i put my faith in God and we have the holy spirit for guidance.
People may not think the KJV is enough, but God has everything in there that needs to be there and it is a great translation, some of the newer ones aren't very good translations. I only read the KJV and the Peshitta translation, now and again and I go to God and pray for guidance.
We don't need to study everything else, and know everything, God has put it all in the Bible, everything that is for us. And the spirit will guide us to the truth and give us understanding.
We need to trust in the God, and go to him, the author of the book and he will show is exactly what he means and he will open our understanding. If we love him with our all and give him our heart, have complete faith in him and have love and forgiveness for others, then the father and Christ will make their abode with us and bring us the truth through the spirit.
The more we are willing to lay down our lives, deny ourselves and walk away from the world, the stronger we become in the spirit and God will bless us and we'll be at peace.
So you're right, the holy spirit will guide us, I wonder what some people here think, that those who preached in the Bible many years ago did before they had all the scriptures? They had God and God fed them with the word of God there and then as they needed it, straight to their heart. He said to Moses who gave you your mouth. God gives us the mouth to speak, ears to hear and eyes to see, he opens our understanding. And that's only if we believe, obey him and have complete faith that he can do it that is!
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marhig
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You don't need to read the book of revelation thousands of times to understand it, you need to read it with the spirit of God in your heart and he'll give you understanding
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marhig
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I agree with much of that, except that God doesn't want to to just go to the scriptures for understanding. God wants us to go to him and he will give us the understanding according to his will.
The scripture itself isn't now our teacher, the holy spirit is, and without the spirit then the Bible is very hard to understand, you can study until the cows come home, but without the spirit and the understanding from God, you will still be in darkness, you will only have the milk and not the meat! The scriptures are amazing, but they are other people's light, God is still giving light to those who belong him and God has many ministering spirits to guide those who are the heirs of salvation to the truth.
So by faith comes hearing, and hearing by the word of God and the word of God comes through the holy spirit, firstly through a man of God and the scriptures and then once are born anew, directly to our hearts! That's how those who wrote the scriptures got it, and the spirit still speaks to Gods people today.
marhig
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It's not how many thanks we get, it's the heart that counts and how God sees us. I'm sure Jesus would have got many thumbs down when he preached the truth. So much so they crucified him because they didn't like it.
People want a cosy gospel where they don't have to do anything and there's no cost to themselves, Jesus has done it all and they just sit back, live their lives how they like, church on Sunday and carry on sinning on Monday, and say we're saved. It's far from that I'm afraid. The gospel isn't just a hearing gospel but a doing gospel. And those who truly follow Jesus will be living by the will of God in spirit and in truth and not by the will of their flesh. This world will mean nothing to them and God will be the first thing in the hearts and minds and they will love him with their all.
I wouldn't respect your opinion anyway, so, don't bother.
Those who constantly offend others with no concern, are the most offended when the truth is spoken about them.
Now you have lied about what I had said, which is nothing new,
Compare--"What possessed you to call old GM a blatant liar?"
with what I said--'So your idea that Christs words only applied to the Jews, is a lie"
You can dish it out but you can not take it because you are a hypocrite.
If you can not stand the heat in the kitchen then get out.
Few would miss you, with your mocking of peoples posts.
LA
SaulToPaul 2
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SaulToPaul 2
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LA the great judge of all mankind has spoken on the matter.
In 1 Corinthians 15:3 Paul said, "For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures."
Those who believe and accept his redemption from the penalty for sin become his people and accept Jesus as the Christ, the anointed Priest and King of Israel. They, in fact, become citizens of Israel, which is another name for God's kingdom.
Because flesh and blood cannot enter or see the kingdom their citizenship is reserved in heaven for them (1 Peter 1:4).
Paul explained that the Father has converted Israel into the kingdom of his Son (Colossians 1:13)
Your problem is, you for years now have pointed your "Six-Guns" at yours truly. You have never delivered a kind word nor have you ever been accused of being respectful of others. You appear to be a malcontent and an unhappy curmudgeon. The other thing about you is, you're constantly wrong about most everything you post. I don't know how you're able to pull that off? You must really, try very hard to accomplish that one?
Your worst crime is your lack of discernment when it comes to Wit, humor, and most of all, HYPEROBOLE. Google "Hyperbole" LA.
I wonder how many of those who post regularly here are members of churches and attend often? Do preachers allow church members to engage in the kind of individual bashing that goes on here in church or even in Sunday School? No, they do not allow it. If someone persisted in bashing an individual during a church sermon, the preacher probably would throw the offender out. And maybe he or she would go out and find a stop sign to quarrel with.
dodge
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I see the smiley but NO scriptures to support what you believe, and why is that !
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Is repentance no longer necessary ?
I can give you scripture that says to "repent" and be "baptized".
Can you show me a scripture that says "baptism" and the partaking in the "Lord's supper" has been set aside or stopped ? Not your opinion or inferences show me in SCRIPTURE.
Jesus said to teach and baptize the NATIONS, and there is NO scripture that says "water Baptism" has been stopped or done away with NONE.
The word quarrel is used twice in the King James Version, in Mark 6: 19 and in Colossians 3: 13.
"Therefore Herodias had a quarrel against him, and would have killed him; but she could not." Mark 6: 19
Quarrel is from ενειχεν, enechó: to hold in or upon, i.e. to ensnare, by impl. to keep a grudge." No 1758.
Colossians 3: 13 requires more verses than that one verse to establish what Paul is talking about.
"Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10.And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11.Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12. Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13. Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye."
Paul is talking about Christians who have all been born again here, and says of them that if any man has a quarrel against another, that as Christ forgave you, so you should forgive the one who is making a quarrel.
But after the falling way of II Thessalonians 2: 3-4, the leavening of the kingdom in Luke 13: 20-21,the departing from the faith in I Timothy 4: 1 and the rejection of sound doctrine of II Timothy 4: 3 the majority are in false doctrines and not born again, and only a minority have been born again. Maybe that majority not born again tend to be the quarrelers.
Quarrel in Colossians 3: 13 is from μομφην, momphé: blame, a complaint, fault, number 3437.
The Greek word εριδος, eris, in Romans 1: 29 can be translated as quarrel. The definition of Strong's number 2054 is contention, strife, literally quarrel, strife; properly, a readiness to quarrel, having a contentious spirit.
In Romans 1: 28-29 Paul lists several traits which he says are a result of having been given over to a reprobate mind by God, and eris is one of these.
"Therefore Herodias had a quarrel against him, and would have killed him; but she could not." Mark 6: 19
Quarrel is from ενειχεν, enechó: to hold in or upon, i.e. to ensnare, by impl. to keep a grudge." No 1758.
Colossians 3: 13 requires more verses than that one verse to establish what Paul is talking about.
"Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
10.And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him: 11.Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
12. Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
13. Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye."
Paul is talking about Christians who have all been born again here, and says of them that if any man has a quarrel against another, that as Christ forgave you, so you should forgive the one who is making a quarrel.
But after the falling way of II Thessalonians 2: 3-4, the leavening of the kingdom in Luke 13: 20-21,the departing from the faith in I Timothy 4: 1 and the rejection of sound doctrine of II Timothy 4: 3 the majority are in false doctrines and not born again, and only a minority have been born again. Maybe that majority not born again tend to be the quarrelers.
Quarrel in Colossians 3: 13 is from μομφην, momphé: blame, a complaint, fault, number 3437.
The Greek word εριδος, eris, in Romans 1: 29 can be translated as quarrel. The definition of Strong's number 2054 is contention, strife, literally quarrel, strife; properly, a readiness to quarrel, having a contentious spirit.
In Romans 1: 28-29 Paul lists several traits which he says are a result of having been given over to a reprobate mind by God, and eris is one of these.
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No one is obligated to answer your questions. If you have a problem with that:
A) Place me on ignore.
B) Report me to the Woodshed.
C) Don't post to me.
D) Mind your own business and pretend I'm not here.
The choice is yours to make. :chuckle:
dodge
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I like A the best !
Go for it.
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Yes, we are... but not directly part of the one mentioned in Matt 6.
heir
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The fact that Paul thanked God that he baptized only a few (1 Corinthians 1:14 KJV), that Paul was sent not to baptize (1 Corinthians 1:17 KJV) should be cause for pause (Mark 16:16 KJV) for you one pot mealists!