God's Truth
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Ah, so what makes you think of John?
Who will answer my questions?
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Ah, so what makes you think of John?
glorydaz
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That you think your a voice crying in the wilderness. He's got you there, GT.
God's Truth
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I am glad that I make people think of John. What an honor.
marhig
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You have no idea what the form is. The form doesn't mean that Jesus is God but that he is in the express image of God Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God, he even said himself that God is his God, but for some reason you can't see it.
The following verses talk about the form of godliness in those who are living by the lusts of their flesh, they look the part, being in the form, meaning they look like they are of God from the outside, but inside they are wicked. So the form means to be like. And Jesus wasn't just like God, he was in the express image of God, in the form of God.
2 Timothy 3
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.* For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,* Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;*Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away
The difference between us and Jesus is he didn't sin, he is the Christ fully anointed of God and he was in the complete form of God, the express image, we do sin, and are not in the express image, but those who die the death and live not to please their flesh, by the power of the Spirit become more and more like Christ as he is made manifest within our hearts and his life and love increases within us as our flesh decreases and the Spirit forms us to be more like him.
Also, you haven't answered my question regarding revelation 3. Why does Jesus call God "my God" after the resurrection when he's no longer still a man. Seeing as you say that he only called the father his God whilst he was a man?
And Jesus is the word of God because he speaks only what the father gives him to speak, God was in him and the word that Jesus speaks is God.
By the way insulting people doesn't do anything, but if you feel the need to do so to me, carry on, luckily you're not my judge.
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marhig
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No there are three, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, and the three are one, and we are one with them when we are born of God. One Spirit as we walk in the Spirit. But the Father is also the God of all including the Son, as Jesus himself says.
marhig
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Ok, I don't agree with that, but much of what pops says I do agree with. And I am not his judge nor yours, I leave that in Gods hands, where as you seem to judge everyone! And if they don't agree completely with you then you go on one and accuse them of all sorts.
I could also say that you seem to be agreeing a lot with GD regarding Jesus being God. But I'm sure she doesn't believe that Jesus is the father come in flesh, I'm sure she believe that there are 3. So I could say the same about you that you are saying about me and pops.
I believe that God looks at the heart first and foremost.
marhig
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Who exalted him?
marhig
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Again, you need to look at yourself
Quote Originally Posted by God's Truth
Most people do not agree with me.
Because, what you say, is not inline with the scriptures and the evangelism that alone has the power to save.
PS I didn't peek at your post, but couldn't help seeing it quoted.
Yours is a voice crying out from the pit, not the wilderness.
Most people do not agree with me.
Because, what you say, is not inline with the scriptures and the evangelism that alone has the power to save.
PS I didn't peek at your post, but couldn't help seeing it quoted.
Yours is a voice crying out from the pit, not the wilderness.
oatmeal
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That is a noteworthy opinion
You are no doubt thinking of I Timothy 6:14-16, but that is about being physically in his presence at the throne of God. Yes, Jesus Christ can be there because, he being human, earned the right and is in his resurrected body, not the one he grew up with, body and soul that was tortured and died.
After all God raised Jesus from the dead and seated him at his own right hand. God highly exalted him for his loving humble obedience to his God and Father. Hmmm. loving and humble obedience, I want to do that, today, now.
Do you think that the man God selected to be the one mediator between himself and men is the wrong choice?
Do you think "the man Christ Jesus" is deficient in some way?
You do not trust in the wisdom of God to make the right choice?
Which man would you vote for, as if this were up for a vote?
God is not unapproachable. In fact, if you to read scripture on what He had Jesus Christ do to give us access and confidence to God, you would be embarrassed by your statement.
Here is a small list of verses that tell us how approachable God is.
Ephesians 3:11-12
Hebrews 4:15-16
Galatians 4:6
How's them apples?
musterion
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Don't just claim I stretched Scripture. Demonstrate how I did so.
musterion
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And the point applies because faith =/= sight.
Christ is invisible to us all. Believers have NOTHING to go by except faith in God's revealed Word, rightly divided. That, I believe, is why the rewards waiting for the truly faithful may far exceed that which Israel will receive in the restoration, because she saw the mighty works of God from as far back as Egypt and right up through the Twelve. And they'll see such things again before Christ comes to them.
But believers today see nothing on par with any of that. We see nothing, in fact. Our Savior is invisible to us BUT we who are His know He is within us all the same. So the saved believe, hope and wait on One who is invisible to us but here with us all the same. God knows it's much harder to have not seen but still believe in our invisible Man, than to have seen and believed.
Christ is invisible to us all. Believers have NOTHING to go by except faith in God's revealed Word, rightly divided. That, I believe, is why the rewards waiting for the truly faithful may far exceed that which Israel will receive in the restoration, because she saw the mighty works of God from as far back as Egypt and right up through the Twelve. And they'll see such things again before Christ comes to them.
But believers today see nothing on par with any of that. We see nothing, in fact. Our Savior is invisible to us BUT we who are His know He is within us all the same. So the saved believe, hope and wait on One who is invisible to us but here with us all the same. God knows it's much harder to have not seen but still believe in our invisible Man, than to have seen and believed.
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oatmeal
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Although Jesus is referred to as God by God in Hebrews 1:8, God refers to many different people, etc as God, some of those occurrences are
Exodus 7:1 KJV
And the Lord said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
Psalm 82:1,6
1 God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
Of course, those that God chose to represent him are referred to as gods.
and where Jesus quotes the OT where God refers to people as Gods or gods.
John 10:33-38
The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
It is revealing that it was the unbelieving Jews that thought Jesus was claiming to be God, although we could understand that as being a representative of God.
Most certainly, the son of God who always did the Father's will would be a perfect representative of his Father.
As we continue to examine this record, we see Jesus correcting the unbelieving Jews for their assumptions.
Jesus basically tells them, I claim to be the son of God, you assume I am claiming to be God.
The same scenario is being played over and over and over again today with the trinitarians and the like.
The record in John 10 should correct their false assumption, namely that Jesus is God, but Jesus corrects you even today with the same words:
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Who does Jesus say he is?
If he was God why would God have to sanctify him?
The problems that the false doctrine of the trinity cause are enormous.
You have to basically throw out scripture after scripture, that you might keep your tradition.
I am no perfect believer or even noteworthy, but I do endeavor to take all scripture into account before drawing any conclusions.
Yes, indeed Jesus is called by shepherd even as God refers to himself as a shepherd.
Are you implying that everyone who is a shepherd is God as well?
You might want to ask yourself if that is good logic.
David was a shepherd, is he God?
His family were shepherds, were they God?
Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob were shepherds, are they God as well?
Like I said false doctrines cause more problems than you could shake a bundle of sticks at.
What would you have God refer to His son who always did God's will as?
Did your father give you a different surname than his? or did your father let you have the same last name as his?
My last name is the same as my father's, I am a chip off the old block, I did not fall from him.
I did not always do his will, yet he allowed me to keep his name.
Why wouldn't God name His son with His own name?
oatmeal
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Thanks for asking,
No, I cannot, I have not checked that out.
However, if what you say it true, that both God and His son are referred to as king of kings and lord of lords, it would be true of both of them
God is Lord over his son the lord Jesus Christ.
Acts 2:34
God is Lord over all, Jesus is lord over all that God gave him the authority and power to be lord over.
Thank you for the question
Do you have other things you would like to learn of me?
oatmeal
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John 1:6
Where was John sent from?
What does that mean?
Who is the Father of Jesus Christ?
Where is the Father's throne?
Where does the word and will of God come from?
Are you a son of God?
Did that sonship come from God above? or from beneath?
I Peter 1:23
oatmeal
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well, glo,
that is amusing.
You cannot read and acknowledge what is in the verse we are examining but you want to give me lessons on context?
Since you cannot even read I Timothy 2:5 and acknowledge what is there, why would I trust you with other verses, even if it is context?
You give no reason to consider your view on context.
When you get honest enough to acknowledge what is written in I Timothy 2:5
Why is it that you find I Timothy 2:5 so repugnant that you cannot admit what God says about who the one mediator between Himself and men is?
You are between a rock and a hard place with your stubborn refusal to acknowledge the truth in I Timothy 2:5
Get over it. Climb out of the pit you let others put you in.
The rightly divided word of truth is well worth it.
God's Truth
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Jesus is not in human flesh anymore; and, you are not divine.
God's Truth
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Prove it accuser.
Show where I have done that.
The difference is that you both judge others too much and not each other.
And?
God's Truth
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God humbled Himself and came as a Man. Who do you think exalted him?
God's Truth
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I don't have to look at myself because I know who it is that I live though.
How many times were you told that I don't care if you disagree with me? How many times do you keep saying I do?
Just debate the scriptures and stop trying to tell me about myself.