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The Lord's supper s when Jesus made the Covenant.
The Gentiles reenacted that supper many times because they enter that covenant when they are saved.
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The Lord's supper s when Jesus made the Covenant.
The Gentiles reenacted that supper many times because they enter that covenant when they are saved.
Hi and explain HOW they are the same , LOLLLLLLLLLLLL ??
Just dying TO HEAR this EXPLANATION !!
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Go ahead and explain how they are different.
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So Cornelius and his whole household got the message that will save, or the message that saves?
Acts 11:14 He will bring you a message through which you and all your household will be saved.'
How long is Cornelius and his family going to have to wait?
As was I (being facetious) - oy vay :chuckle:
He was stating a principle not limited to one time or another - as is the case in the phrase "the just shall live by faith" - that is not referring to some future event but to a timeless principle.
Acts 15 is in between James', Cephas', and John's Galatians 1's meeting with Paul at some point after Acts 10.
Rom. 5:8; 14:5.
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You and glorydaze are a match.
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You sure are agreeing with me a lot lately.
turbosixx
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Yes, "shall be" was before they heard the gospel and received the Holy Spirit.
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Why do you say WE? Are you a Hebrew?
Why do you continue to ignore the details in the book to the Hebrews?
Heb 8:8-12 (AKJV/PCE)
(8:8) For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: (8:9) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. (8:10) For this [is] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: (8:11) And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. (8:12) For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
The Bible is a book of details and if you ignore them, you will create confusion for yourself.
The body of Christ is NOT a continuation of Israel.
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There is a difference between Israel as God's people and the body of Christ.
Paul makes is crystal clear in Roman 9-11 that God is not through with Israel.
There is more than one "church" in the Bible.
The body of Christ is NOT the same church as the "church in the wilderness", which was Israel.
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Why do you keep repeating the same falseness even after having scripture that proves you wrong?
See John 1:13. Why don't you explain in detail to me what that means?
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There is more than one church?
The church is the body of Christ; and, when people gathered together in someone's home, it was called a church, a church of that city.
You misunderstand Paul about the Jews. Paul is explaining that not all Jews are cut off and hardened forever. GOD. CUT OFF. AND. HARDENED MANY JEWS. WHEN Jesus walked the earth. Paul is explaining that it does not mean no Jew can be saved, for even himself is proof of that because he is a Jew.
Romans 11:1 I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin.
heir
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Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
When?
1 Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
1 Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1 Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
1 Peter 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
heir
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See my last post to graceandpeace, I mean, "God's Truth".
heir
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Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
When?
1 Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
1 Peter 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
1 Peter 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
1 Peter 1:12 Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
1 Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
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He was stating a principle not limited to one time or another - as is the case in the phrase "the just shall live by faith" - that is not referring to some future event but to a timeless principle.
Question with regards to the above:
Can a man be just without being born again, perhaps even having no knowledge of Jesus Christ?
Question with regards to the above:
Can a man be just without being born again, perhaps even having no knowledge of Jesus Christ?
turbosixx
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Physically no but spiritually yes. The Jews were God's people under the old covenant. The way I understand it, what made them Jews was being a child of Abraham through Isaac and being circumcised. Under the new covenant, there is neither Jew nor Greek physically but they are one spiritually. Jesus tore down the dividing wall.
Paul uses physical descriptors to show we (Christians) are now God's chosen people.
Children of Abraham and of promise.
Gal. 3:29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
Gal. 4:28 Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise.
Circumcised.
Col. 2:11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,
Phil. 3:2 Look out for the dogs, look out for the evildoers, look out for those who mutilate the flesh. 3 For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh
Paul counted being a Jew rubbish.
With all due respect, I do my very best not to ignore scripture. Only a fool would do that.
Jesus established the new covenant with his blood. On Pentecost, Peter proclaimed it to Israel.
Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words.
Acts 2:36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”
The new covenant is not like the old written in stone but on hearts.
2 Cor. 3:3 And you show that you are a letter from Christ delivered by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.
Rom. 10:8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim);
Heb. 9:15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
I don’t see it as a continuation. I see it as under the new covenant there are Christians and everyone else. Jews can either convert or continue to stand against Christ.
Rom. 10:1 Brothers, my heart's desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. 2 For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3 For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
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turbosixx
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From your perspective, how does Paul say they will be saved?
How many churches are there after Jesus' death, burial and resurrection?