ECT What is the true root objection to MAD?

[Grosnick Marowbe]

You said both Jew and Gentile are in the Body of Christ.

Today, there is neither Jew nor gentile! All may be part of the
Body of Christ! Back in the New Testament there were 2
different messages being preached, to the Jew; The Kingdom
Message! To the gentile, "The Grace Message" as taught by
"The Apostle Paul!" Peter and the rest were preaching to the
Jews. Paul, to the gentiles!

Galations 2:7 "But contrariwise, when they saw that the
gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me,
as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;"

Two separate Gospels! The one to the Jews, the other to the
gentiles!

 

[Cross Reference]

Scripture is more valid than, man's "common sense!"

and you have neither.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Paul said--

2Co 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

There is, The Judgement of the "Unsaved" which will be judged
by God the Father! And, there is, The judgment seat of Christ (God
the Son) who will render rewards to the members of the Body of
Christ (The saved) or they will see the loss of rewards! However,
at this judgment seat, there will be no condemnation, or punishment!

 

[Cross Reference]

We must "Rightly Divide the word" Otherwise, we end up with confusion,
self made analogies, and contradiction?

It is impossible for you to rightly divide the "Word of Truth" without the baptism of Jesus Christ you deny! It is a Living organism. Get that through your head!

 

[andyc]

Context is everything! Who is James speaking to?

Context is important at times, but in this case it is not. You are denying common sense. The alternative is to say that there is a faith that relies on works, which is anti faith.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

and you have neither.

Well, your opinion is noted, and has been disregarded!

 

[andyc]

James 1:1 "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus
Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad,
greeting."

He wasn't speaking to us; the gentile, The
Body of Christ?

Paul never spoke to you either. He was speaking to churches that existed in his time. Don't be so literal.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Context is important at times, but in this case it is not. You are denying common sense. The alternative is to say that there is a faith that relies on works, which is anti faith.

Don't get what you just said?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Paul never spoke to you either. He was speaking to churches that existed in his time. Don't be so literal.

James says exactly what he means! If you wish to disregard
what he's saying, that's your privilege!

 

[Cross Reference]

You guys don't seem to like "MAD?" What do you guys think of "Paul's
Gospel?" Paul was given a message to deliver to the gentiles! (The
Grace Message) from "The Risen Christ" On the road to Damascus!

Peter and the rest were to preach "The Kingdom Message" to "The
House of Israel!" There were two separate messages being preached
at that time! Paul taught; God's Grace received by our faith! One
only needed to hear the message, place their faith in Christ as their
Lord and Savior, be sealed/indwelt by The Holy Spirit, and baptized
(not by water) into the Body of Christ! One who is in the Body of
Christ has received the "righteousness of Christ!" They have had
their sins forgiven (cleansed) they will spend eternity with God
in Heaven and cannot lose their "Position "In Christ!"

The Holy Spirit dwells in the "True Believer!" Christ died for the sins
of ALL mankind however, only those who place all their faith in Him
will receive the benefit! The rest (The Unsaved) will stand before God
and be judged by their works and be cast into the "Lake of Fire" for
eternity! All men's secrets will be judged according to "Paul's Gospel"

Romans 2:16 "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by
Jesus Christ according to my gospel." Paul was speaking there!!

And he was simply saying, "according to what God has revealed to me about the message of Jesus Christ He brought with Him from God".

Now speak of what Paul got wrong?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Gentiles are never considered, The twelve tribes! Then again, you
have the right to disagree! However, gentiles are gentiles, and
the 12 Tribes of Israel are just that!

 

[andyc]

Every Christian, who knows he has been born again, should thank God for any heaviness of conviction when sin/temptation, knocks on his door. Every new born child of God needs to know this right at the outset of his salvation that he knows up front what to expect from the enemy who will come at him from all directions. This is the most needed post anyone, serious about knowing God, can ever read here on TOL.

Well stated andyc!

If you look closely at the mad teaching of grace, it sounds fantastic, and this catches a lot of sincere believers out. The grace and faith aspect of their teaching is good, but there is no end product - life in the Spirit. This is extremely concerning.
Mad is all about freedom from the law in order to walk comfortably in the flesh without a guilty conscience. The Romans 8 aspect of grace is completely absent from their theology, and dare I say...christian experience?

You've got to wonder.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Gentiles are never considered, The twelve tribes! Then again, you
have the right to disagree! However, gentiles are gentiles, and
the 12 Tribes of Israel are just that!

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

If you look closely at the mad teaching of grace, it sounds fantastic, and this catches a lot of sincere believers out. The grace and faith aspect of their teaching is good, but there is no end product - life in the Spirit. This is extremely concerning.
Mad is all about freedom from the law in order to walk comfortably in the flesh without a guilty conscience. The Romans 8 aspect of grace is completely absent from their theology, and dare I say...christian experience?

You've got to wonder.

Oh, you mean a, "License to Sin?" I've heard that one before, from
those of your ilk!

 

[Cross Reference]

God's Grace--through our faith--plus nothing, is the formula for today!!

I think you just contradicted yourself. What? No dispensing of faith here? No gift of faith that man might believe?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

So, andyc, what IS your, Christian experience?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

I think you just contradicted yourself. What? No dispensing of faith here? No gift of faith that man might believe?

Faith isn't the gift! God's Grace is the gift!

 

[andyc]

Gentiles are never considered, The twelve tribes! Then again, you
have the right to disagree! However, gentiles are gentiles, and
the 12 Tribes of Israel are just that!

Those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham, the Father of the 12 tribes. And we have been grafted in.

Ephesians 3:6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel

Whatever concerns believing Jews concerns believing gentiles.

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

And he was simply saying, "according to what God has revealed to me about the message of Jesus Christ He brought with Him from God".

Now speak of what Paul got wrong?

According to CR, what did The Apostle Paul, get wrong?

 

[Grosnick Marowbe]

Those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham, the Father of the 12 tribes. And we have been grafted in.

Ephesians 3:6 that the Gentiles should be fellow heirs, of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ through the gospel

Whatever concerns believing Jews concerns believing gentiles.

Then, James would have explained that, which he did not! James KNEW
who he was addressing specifically!