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LA
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LA
ECT What is the true root objection to MAD?
- Thread starter musterion
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You guys don't seem to like "MAD?" What do you guys think of "Paul's
Gospel?" Paul was given a message to deliver to the gentiles! (The
Grace Message) from "The Risen Christ" On the road to Damascus!
Peter and the rest were to preach "The Kingdom Message" to "The
House of Israel!" There were two separate messages being preached
at that time! Paul taught; God's Grace received by our faith! One
only needed to hear the message, place their faith in Christ as their
Lord and Savior, be sealed/indwelt by The Holy Spirit, and baptized
(not by water) into the Body of Christ! One who is in the Body of
Christ has received the "righteousness of Christ!" They have had
their sins forgiven (cleansed) they will spend eternity with God
in Heaven and cannot lose their "Position "In Christ!"
The Holy Spirit dwells in the "True Believer!" Christ died for the sins
of ALL mankind however, only those who place all their faith in Him
will receive the benefit! The rest (The Unsaved) will stand before God
and be judged by their works and be cast into the "Lake of Fire" for
eternity! All men's secrets will be judged according to "Paul's Gospel"
Romans 2:16 "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by
Jesus Christ according to my gospel." Paul was speaking there!!
Gospel?" Paul was given a message to deliver to the gentiles! (The
Grace Message) from "The Risen Christ" On the road to Damascus!
Peter and the rest were to preach "The Kingdom Message" to "The
House of Israel!" There were two separate messages being preached
at that time! Paul taught; God's Grace received by our faith! One
only needed to hear the message, place their faith in Christ as their
Lord and Savior, be sealed/indwelt by The Holy Spirit, and baptized
(not by water) into the Body of Christ! One who is in the Body of
Christ has received the "righteousness of Christ!" They have had
their sins forgiven (cleansed) they will spend eternity with God
in Heaven and cannot lose their "Position "In Christ!"
The Holy Spirit dwells in the "True Believer!" Christ died for the sins
of ALL mankind however, only those who place all their faith in Him
will receive the benefit! The rest (The Unsaved) will stand before God
and be judged by their works and be cast into the "Lake of Fire" for
eternity! All men's secrets will be judged according to "Paul's Gospel"
Romans 2:16 "In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by
Jesus Christ according to my gospel." Paul was speaking there!!
Refer to post 604
It's time LA and andyc, and their ilk start to read/study Paul's writings (Romans
through Philemon) your eternal destination depends on you accepting Paul's
Gospel!"
through Philemon) your eternal destination depends on you accepting Paul's
Gospel!"
Those who reject Paul's Gospel, will stand before God and be judged
according to their "works!" Those who become members of The Body
of Christ will not be judged, nor be cast into The Lake of Fire! They
have The righteousness of Christ bestowed upon them!
according to their "works!" Those who become members of The Body
of Christ will not be judged, nor be cast into The Lake of Fire! They
have The righteousness of Christ bestowed upon them!
There were not two messages of salvation ever.
There is only one gospel and both Peter and Paul preached the same gospel.
Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
The gospel has never changed--
Jud 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:
Jud 1:2 Mercy unto you, and peace, and love, be multiplied.
Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
LA
Revelation 20:12 "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works."
Rom 2:3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God?
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
Rom 2:5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
Rom 2:7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
Rom 2:9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
Rom 2:10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
Rom 2:11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
Today, we are living in the "Dispensation of Grace!" Paul's Gospel" pertains to
both Jew and gentile alike! Both, can become members of "The Body of Christ"
in this time! Back then though, there were two different messages being
presented!
both Jew and gentile alike! Both, can become members of "The Body of Christ"
in this time! Back then though, there were two different messages being
presented!
Explain all of the context of your chosen verses here?
So, today; "So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God." (Romans 10:17)
God's Grace "message" must first be heard then, one must place their
faith in Christ as their Lord and Savior. The Holy Spirit then, seals and
indwells "The True Believer" He then baptizes (not by water) them into
the "Body of Christ!" During that process, the "True Believer" receives
the righteousness of Christ and they are considered part of the "Body
of Christ!" The benefits of God's free gift through Christ's resurrection
is, God's forgiveness, mercy, and eternal life! They also, will not be
judged according to their "works," like the "Unsaved" will be!
God's Grace "message" must first be heard then, one must place their
faith in Christ as their Lord and Savior. The Holy Spirit then, seals and
indwells "The True Believer" He then baptizes (not by water) them into
the "Body of Christ!" During that process, the "True Believer" receives
the righteousness of Christ and they are considered part of the "Body
of Christ!" The benefits of God's free gift through Christ's resurrection
is, God's forgiveness, mercy, and eternal life! They also, will not be
judged according to their "works," like the "Unsaved" will be!
God's Grace--through our faith--plus nothing, is the formula for today!!
Does anyone here "disagree" with these conclusions?
andyc
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I've got no problem with this. It's the same gospel Jesus preached.
The righteous shall still be judged (2Cor 5:10), but not like the unrighteous.
Rightly dividing the word is another extremely important issue! The
entire Bible is for us (gentles) however, it is not all, about us, nor does
it all refer to us! The 4 Gospels for instance! " Christ said; "But he
answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house
of Israel." (Matthew 15:24)
Paul was sent to us (The gentiles) It was The Risen Christ that gave Paul the
"Grace Message" to deliver to us! (The gentiles)
entire Bible is for us (gentles) however, it is not all, about us, nor does
it all refer to us! The 4 Gospels for instance! " Christ said; "But he
answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house
of Israel." (Matthew 15:24)
Paul was sent to us (The gentiles) It was The Risen Christ that gave Paul the
"Grace Message" to deliver to us! (The gentiles)
andyc
New member
Obviously non madists like us see only one gospel, but they don't like some of the more challenging verses talking about things like holiness and godliness, and commitment etc. So they want to palm these on to a lesser people than themselves. So they invent two different gospels nowhere seen in scripture.
James wasn't written to/or about us! James says, faith without
works is dead! Whereas, Paul says "faith without works!"
works is dead! Whereas, Paul says "faith without works!"
andyc
New member
The law was until John (Luke 16:16, John 1:17). Grace came through Jesus Christ, not Paul.
Today, ONLY Paul's Gospel is relevant to ALL! Jew and gentile alike! One
message for today!
message for today!
Cross Reference
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And what was his message to those on Mars Hill? Was it a message of grace or simply identifying in whom the Greeks placed their faith, hmmmm __ putting a name on him?