Do you or daqq see the logos having a 'form' of anykind, or is it a spirit that can take on a form or operate thru a form or personality? As far as the Son's relationship to the Father, could you expand on how you see their relationship, and if the logos is still joined to the soul or spirit of Jesus, the logos embodied by and indwelling, operating thru the Lord Jesus? Or was this just during his earthly ministry?
I think some are interested in if Jesus and the 'Messiah-Son' (are they different?) or as you've referred to before as the 'Christ-spirit' are still one. I believe you and daqq use different terminology at times. Im well aware too within more liberal circles that the man Jesus and the 'Christ' are sometimes differentiated, especially in more liberal new age or spiritualist schools. Jesus is the 'man', and the 'Christ' is the divine spirit.
Readers will have a beter comprehension of how you define the logos as its related to the 'Son' or 'Christ' and how this was related to the man Jesus, since traditional orthodox Christians believe God the Son, who is the logos became flesh, so that Jesus is wholly God and Man incorporeated as one, per their strictly defined creed, per its metaphysical terms and definition. Jesus Christ to them is wholly God, the divine logos made flesh, made into the man Jesus, so this divine incarnation, a holy mystery, has forever changed the nature of God, since God the Son is NOW a deified Man! - the human and divine elements of the Lord Jesus appear to be forever FUSED! It can be confusing. So, if you guys can clarify this carefully for traditional orthodox believers it would help. How and WHY you see there is a logos-Messiah-Son ENTITY that is totally different than the MAN Jesus. I hope this inquiry is clear and direct. I know you explained this before in various way, but maybe you can expand on it.
This would mean that Jesus the man was but the physical vehicle, soul-body who served as the Messenger-Prophet of YHWH, He was anointed with the Spirit of YHWH, who came down in the form of a dove upon him, this Spirit was the logos of YHWH, the Messiah-Son anointing? - so that Jesus was invested, anointed with the logos-spirit (Christ-spirit)...and it was this logos of YHWH what was being manifested thru Jesus, the Holy Spirit empowering, demonstrating the logos thru his life, words and ministry. When Jesus was raised from the dead, did this logos-spirit ascend with him, was the Christ-spirit still upon or within him? Are these two one? Also, Jesus was called both Son of God and Son of Man. Was the man Jesus called these titles ONLY when the Christ-anointing came upon him and qualified him for these titles, or is the 'Son of God/Son of Man' the 'logos-anointing' that came upon him, and is different from the man Jesus, and are Jesus and the logos-Christ-divine spirit (whatever) still merged together????
Seriously,...I think some are confused about this :idunno:
WHO IS JESUS THE CHRIST?
This is a very good question to ask yourself. I was brought up to believe that he was at the creation. That he was God. For many years I pondered over the fact that there is only one God, how could the Son of God be God? It took me 65 years to answer that question. This is my view on who Jesus Christ is.
Lets start with the creation. Everything comes from God through his first creation. The verses I post most have heard from me before. But they are important to see and understand. Lets look at the logos, what exactly is it? English translators say it is the WORD of the creator. But it goes much deeper than that.
Hebrews 1 tells us that God has a son, a son who is just like his Father in every way. God is a spirit and so is his Son. Heb 1. Now the son was given the fullness of his Father, it has the power to do what the Father commands of it. Col 1. Keep in mind that this son is a spirit, not a man. This spirit laid the foundation of the Universe. God, YHWH, the most high told this logos what to do and what to say. I believe that YHWH was alone until he created this Exact copy of himself. Heb 1:3. This logos is called O God by his God. Only the Father is greater than this logos.
What is Jesus then? He is the flesh son of the most high. The world needed a saviour, someone pure and sinless. As Adam was. He had to be able to die for our sins. The Saviour of mankind needed to be a man, one who face all the things that life threw at it. Jesus, Y’shua, is that man. He is not God.
When it was time for the logos to come, it needed a body to dwell in. Heb 10:5 speaks of a body prepared for the logos and to be the sinless Lamb of God. That tells us a lot. There is more to Jesus Christ than Jesus the man.
The logos has the power given to him from his God, the logos went into Jesus at his anointing. The logos spoke and acted through Jesus. This is when God declared that this was his son. Acts 10:38 tell us that Jesus received his power at his anointing. The Dove. Consider that Jesus needed to go into the wilderness to adjust to this power he was just given.
So what do have here now? A man who was given the power of the logos, the spirit Son of YHWH. Jesus became the Christ when he was anointed with Christ the logos. The logos spirit became a man.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Is this stretching it to much? I do not think so. The important verses to get you to think are listed below. Give them some thought. However the English translations make it hard to see the simple truth.
Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Heb 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Heb 1:9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
The true Son of God has come and taken the form of a man. That man is Jesus Christ.
- one can have various definitions for 'death' or even 'life' granted meaning and context.
