Believing faith.
These are NOT the same gospel
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Right Divider
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What about passing from death to life? You know.... eternal life.
musterion
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There are people here who believe God really isn't very bright.
Want to know how you can spot them?
They believe He wasn't smart enough to consider the probability of those He forgave, quickened, and justified going through hard times with the world, the devil, and their own sin-infected flesh.
They believe He didn't foresee many of them being ignorant of His all-sufficient grace, and so fall into doubting Him (which is to lose faith) or being angry with Him (also losing faith).
They believe He didn't make allowance for this, so He is powerless to preserve those whom He saved but later doubt or become despondent or resentful.
They believe He can only watch helplessly as those He saved become lost again, leaving Him no choice but to burn them.
In believing all this, they imply that they are...
smarter
than
God.
Fortunately, they aren't. They are proud, ignorant fools.
God's saving grace cannot be outsinned by any whom He has forgiven all sins
AND justified by the resurrection of Christ
AND sealed unto Himself by His own Spirit.
It isn't even the believer sinning anymore--Paul says it's the old man, the flesh doing it.
That includes bouts of faithlessness.
Now watch: if they respond at all, they'll backtrack and make up parameters on how much faithlessness or what kind of faithlessness it takes for a saved person to be lost.
Want to know how you can spot them?
They believe He wasn't smart enough to consider the probability of those He forgave, quickened, and justified going through hard times with the world, the devil, and their own sin-infected flesh.
They believe He didn't foresee many of them being ignorant of His all-sufficient grace, and so fall into doubting Him (which is to lose faith) or being angry with Him (also losing faith).
They believe He didn't make allowance for this, so He is powerless to preserve those whom He saved but later doubt or become despondent or resentful.
They believe He can only watch helplessly as those He saved become lost again, leaving Him no choice but to burn them.
In believing all this, they imply that they are...
smarter
than
God.
Fortunately, they aren't. They are proud, ignorant fools.
God's saving grace cannot be outsinned by any whom He has forgiven all sins
AND justified by the resurrection of Christ
AND sealed unto Himself by His own Spirit.
It isn't even the believer sinning anymore--Paul says it's the old man, the flesh doing it.
That includes bouts of faithlessness.
Now watch: if they respond at all, they'll backtrack and make up parameters on how much faithlessness or what kind of faithlessness it takes for a saved person to be lost.
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You don't get that if you quit having believing faith.
You're not very bright.
I can spot it when you believe your delusional lie that I am not who I say I am.
musterion
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One more thing.
People like "Tambora" usually insist that they know, or know of, people who were saved but chucked it and walked away forever.
Never take seriously a word of their story if they can't prove to you what gospel their saved/lost person initially believed, which they can't. Plus, they lie.
People like "Tambora" usually insist that they know, or know of, people who were saved but chucked it and walked away forever.
Never take seriously a word of their story if they can't prove to you what gospel their saved/lost person initially believed, which they can't. Plus, they lie.
That is not what is written.
As the gospel of the kingdom was..."the kingdom of God is near you", I'm anxious to see what "commandments" Paul obeyed?
Be sure to give the scripture saying Jews must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
Something from Leviticus would be nice, as I am reading that these past days.
As we don't know if any believed what Paul preached from your thoughtfully provided scripture, it is unreasonable to say he didn't also "preach" baptism in "that name which they called on".
Not what I said or what scripture says.
Scripture says they can be grafted back in IF they choose to have believing faith again.
If the Jews, like the Gentiles, will turn from sin and get water baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of their past sins, their past sins will be blotted out as well as ours.
Peter said..."The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:" (1 Peter 3:21)
That sounds like the sufficiency of the cross !
And enduring till the end is a no-brainer for those reborn of God's seed.
glorydaz
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Ah, very true. It was their continued unbelief that caused God to turn to the gentiles, wasn't it?
If they tell lies, it is obvious they are not going to be saved.One more thing.
People like "Tambora" usually insist that they know, or know of, people who were saved but chucked it and walked away forever.
Never take seriously a word of their story if they can't prove to you what gospel their saved/lost person initially believed, which they can't. Plus, they lie.
Satan is the father of lies and of those who use them. (John 8:44)
glorydaz
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Thank you, brother. That's what I tried to tell her....that they'd already heard Paul's gospel, but she refused to hear.
Right Divider
Body part
So you think that someone that HATH eternal life can later not hath eternal life?
I'll go with Jesus on that one.
So you think someone can not have believing faith and get eternal life?
Jesus says one can believe for a while and then stop believing, so yeah, I'll got with Jesus on that one.
Derf
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And apparently has nothing to offer the discussion, by his implicit admission.
glorydaz
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You remain under the law and you don't even see it.
glorydaz
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So he should just trying to converse with a brick wall?
Derf
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It would be a better match for him.
glorydaz
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Clearly, you know NOTHING of the Gospel of Grace.
You're a product of this world thinking water will save you.
Very sad because the time is short.