The Trinity
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keypurr
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We disagree, his spirit is with us, but he is not God. God sent him.
keypurr
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Every one born is a creation, creature.
Jesus was born.
The spirit in him, the express image, is also a creation. It is God's first creation for God created all through this spiritual son.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Note that he is called a creature, a creation.
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
All images are creations.
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
All images are creations
I believe that Jesus received the logos at his anointing with the logos. Acts 10:38
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
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The true son is the logos who came down from above to dwell in Jesus, the body God provided for it.
So Jesus the Christ is a full creation, creature., In Phil he is called a form of God, not God. Since God was pleased that the express image had his fullness proves that the logos {Christ} is a created FORM of God, not God. He is the highest of all creation and is now Lord of all creation.
keypurr
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I would think not.
You completely sidestepped my question and answered a question I didn't ask. I asked when Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was created. SO Keypurr, once again, at what point in time was Jesus Christ created?
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keypurr
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I answered.
Christ, the logos spirit son, was created before the Universe was.
Jesus was born to Mary, he is a man. That makes him a creation.
Jesus became the Christ at his baptism when the spirit logos went into him.
So Jesus Christ was at that moment created.
I see Jesus as a man and the logos in him as a spirit.
If you disagree, show me my errors.
By the gentlest of inferences. Jesus is God, because Jesus is God with us, because Jesus is Emmanuel/Immanuel. Matthew 1:23 KJV (Isa7:14KJV)
keypurr
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He was man, however in heaven he might not be a man for FLESH
and BLOOD can not be there. We will all be changed, I would think Jesus was also.
Here is your error:
Where does the Bible say that Jesus and Christ are 2 separate persons?
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Where does the Bible say that Jesus and Christ are 2 separate persons?
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Keypurr, when was 1 Timothy written, before or after Christ ascended into heaven?
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keypurr
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God did not come himself, he sent his son. That would be considered as God being with is in spirit.
keypurr
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My understanding, years later.
Would an express image of God be God?
So then why would the author say
and then IMMEDIATELY clarify:
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Good point. To say Spirit and Spirit beings are the same would be like saying human beings are human.
I think we all realize that human beings can't be human.
keypurr
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Consider the content of the verses below.
Heb 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Heb 10:6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
Heb 10:7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Who NEEDS a BODY prepared for him?
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
The express IMAGE of a spirit is a spirit. Was Jesus a spirit being? I think not.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Was Jesus the exact image of our spirit God? No, he is a creature, a creation.
keypurr
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Jesus tells us God is a spirit, so his express image is a Spirit. Not a man.
Now tell me in Acts 10:38, what is the POWER Jesus received?
Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
Hint: Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Christ, the logos, is a created form of God. Not God.
keypurr
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How can the Mediator between God and man be God? He can't, he suffered as a man.
You add to Scripture.
Jesus is God, because Jesus is God with us, because Jesus is Emmanuel/Immanuel. Matthew 1:23 (KJV) (Isa7:14KJV)