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What you say is not in the scriptures.
You say all one has to do is have faith.
So what happens when someone with only faith keeps living a life of sin and then dies?
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What you say is not in the scriptures.
You say all one has to do is have faith.
So what happens when someone with only faith keeps living a life of sin and then dies?
glorydaz
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Whatever is not of faith is sin. Even what you eat, if not done in faith, is a sin.
So, it's ONLY those with ONLY faith who are saved.
All that "obedience" of yours falls short of the glory of God.
Romans 3:22-24
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
glorydaz
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She is wilfully ignorant.
She refuses to hear, because if the nonsense she preaches was made clear to her, her foolish pride would be on display for all to see. I think if she ever had to humble herself, and admit her error, she would die of shame.
Come to think of it.....those of us who have been crucified with Christ have already been to the cross. That is what she is missing.
She is still stuck on the wrong side. :sigh:
glorydaz
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Stop comparing yourself to Jesus. It's totally sickening. :angrymob:
Yep... her meritorious works save her and her meritorious keep her saved.
glorydaz
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She wants some of the glory for herself.
IN THE AGES TO COME, I can see her jumping up and down waving her arms....don't forget about my obedience, God. :banana:
Eph. 2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
God's Truth
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So if you have faith and murder someone it is not sin?
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I am not doing my works; I am doing Jesus' works.
Jesus' words are Spirit and life. If you do what he says, you will have the Spirit and life.
No, you didn't. You gave verses that say there never was clean or unclean food. But that's not what I was asking for. I was (and still am) asking for where Jesus (or any authority of Scripture) repeals the dietary laws.
If you can't provide that, then based on your beliefs, that we have to do what Jesus (and therefore God) tells us to do, then you should be submitting yourself to the dietary law as well, even though the verses you provided say there are neither clean or unclean foods, because the dietary law doesn't care if there are or aren't, it just says eat some foods and don't eat others.
GT, either provide the scripture where the dietary law was repealed, or concede the point and start keeping the dietary law (because you say you keep all Jesus' commandments, and the dietary laws would be included). Those are your only two options. I mean, you could just ignore me, but that would make you look like a coward.
GT: Please provide scripture that repeals the dietary law of the Old Testament.
Please do not provide scripture that does not repeal the dietary law.
Please do not try to say that the verses you provided are a repeal, because I showed you before that they do not repeal the dietary law, only make an observation about it.
If their faith is in God, then they will go to heaven.
The criminal on the cross had faith, and no works. Yet Jesus said "today you will be with me in Paradise."
Yes, it is sin, but while you should be executed by the earthly government you are under because murder is a crime (and all crime is sin), if you have faith in God, you won't be punished by God for the murder, because when He looks at you, all He sees (in terms of righteousness) is His Son, Jesus Christ, who was righteous.
No, we are not saying we should continue in sin, as Paul says:
And why not say, “Let us do evil that good may come”?—as we are slanderously reported and as some affirm that we say. Their condemnation is just. - Romans 3:8 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans3:8&version=NKJV
And:
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound?Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection,knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin.For he who has died has been freed from sin.Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him,knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him.For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God.Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death.But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. - Romans 6:1-23 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans6:1-23&version=NKJV
A Christian's desire should be to turn away from sin, to not sin, to repent of his sin He's already saved, but he repents because he knows that God does not approve of sin. A Christian won't want to take an innocent person's life.
lifeisgood
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Which you are horribly afraid to share because you're horribly afraid people will laugh at. You, gt, have said so yourself.
I have shared my 'puny' testimony compared to what you say is your 'powerful' testimony (which is invisible) and I really can care less if anyone laughs at it.
I, like Paul, am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord (Romans 8:38-39) and neither the laughs of others about what God has done for me.
lifeisgood
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What you wrote is the answer to another question.
So here is JudgeRightly's question, again.........
WHERE IN SCRIPTURE CAN WE FIND THE DIETARY LAW BEING REPEALED?
It would be nice if you, gt, would stop dancing around the question and simply give a straight answer. Better yet, being that you OBEY Jesus EXACTLY, where did Jesus say that the dietary law has been repealed or that He had done away with it? One copy and paste verse will suffice. Thank you.
lifeisgood
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Absolutely it is sin. :doh:
As Paul said, (paraphrasing now) 'What shall we do go and murder someone so that grace shall abound? GOD FORBID!' (Romans 6:1)
lifeisgood
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So, why aren't you, gt, keeping the dietary law? Jesus did.
God's Truth
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The dietary laws are about cleaning yourself, as in the purification works.
Tell me, why don't you do the various external washings, such as when a man or women sits where someone who had a natural admission sat?
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Glorydazed is the one who says anything done if not with faith is sin.
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I gave many scriptures that prove the dietary law was no more.
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It is your untruthful self that is the example of why I wouldn't share my testimony of when I was saved. You just twist things. You say I am horribly afraid. Untruth statement. You say I am afraid people will laugh at me. You must have felt a little dumb saying that, seeing as how I speak the truth here boldly, but you don't care if you say untruths about me, do you?
I am just trying to help people get closer to the Lord. It is not out of your reach. The way to get closer is constantly fought against by you and others.
Paul gave more commands to obey than anyone in the New Testament.
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Paul's gospel is get saved first then obey.
Eph 2:4-10 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:4) But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, (2:5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
(2:6) And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus: (2:7) That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast. (2:10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
(2:6) And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus: (2:7) That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in [his] kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. (2:8) For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: (2:9) Not of works, lest any man should boast. (2:10) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Notice "EVEN when we were dead in sins, hath [past tense] quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
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