The Politically Incorrect Truth About Martin Luther King Jr.
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annabenedetti
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And I already refuted you, which you've conveniently forgotten. That award was presented in 1966, seven years before abortion was legal in this country.
Your saying "thanks to frauds like Martin Luther King Jr., babies in the womb count as 0/5 of a person" is fraudulent in itself.
I hear that about a lot of Republicans and pastors.
You're right. Martin Luther King Jr. wasn't a Communist.
This is acknowledged.
Star Parker would count you as among the left. Congratulations, leftist.
Let's be aware of the concerted effort on the left to purge from memory that Dr. King was a Christian pastor, inspired by the truth of the gospel, who led an organization called the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
Is obsessive ...
I have to wonder about the health of a mind that focuses exclusively on what is going on in other persons anuses?
Why is this topic so all consuming with you?
It's kind of hard to miss.
It's like this. You're female working for equal pay and standing for women. Your neighbor writes a position paper calling women essentially subhuman and declaring a plan to legalize killing them and how that would be a really good thing. He attends woman hating events and is roundly applauded by the leading, dedicated misogynist organization in the country.
Then one day he comes over to your house with a medal he wants to present you.
Do you say, "Thanks! It's an honor to be honored by someone like you."
Or does he have to be life-flighted to have your high heel removed from his receding posterior?
In other words, you have a logic problem...by which I mean in your ongoing madcap rush to smear in any way you can imagine you've overstepped and slipped in it.
lain:
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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
FACT:
MLK Jr. was the first co-recipient of the racist Margaret Sanger/Planned Parenthood Award. As shown, his pro choice/pro fag feminist wife Coretta, who spent decades by his side promoting his causes, was on the National Board of Directors of NOW. She knew her husband better than his pro life niece Alveda King did.
And I pointed out that King and/or the many advisers that surrounded him (government officials included) should have known the writings of Margaret Sanger and the work of Planned Parenthood President Alan Guttmacher.
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3587980&postcount=19
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3760246&postcount=53
I also pointed out that King's wife Coretta, who accepted the Sanger award on his behalf, was involved in left wing causes, one of them the pro abortion National Organization of Women.
http://www.now.org/history/corettascottking.html
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FACT:
According to close friend and ally Ralph Abernathy, Martin Luther King Jr. was a adulterer. Read his book to find out the gory details.
Then we can change the discussion to those Republicans and pastors who have had national holidays named after them.
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FACT: The civil rights movement was backed by the Communist Party and had numerous communists inside of the movement, MLK Jr., while not a card carrying member, was an ally (he wasn't against the Vietnam War because he was anti-war, he didn't want us fighting mass murdering communists).
I never said that he was a card carrying member. Yet his ties to members of the Communist Party and his statements about the "evils of capitalism' surely make him a socialist.
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FACT:
MLK Jr. was not a Christian.
"He denied some of the most fundamental components of historic Christianity. He repudiated the doctrine of the deity of Jesus, and he rejected the concept that the Lord was raised bodily from the dead. King disdained the New Testament affirmation of Christ’s virgin birth, asserting that the early Christians devised a mythological story to account for the moral uniqueness of Jesus of Nazareth. His theology has been profusely documented in The Christian News Encyclopedia."
https://www.christiancourier.com/art...luther-king-jr
Maybe you can get Star Parker to come to TOL so that she too can be edjumacated on the truth behind this evil evil man.
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
FACT:
MLK Jr. was the first co-recipient of the racist Margaret Sanger/Planned Parenthood Award. As shown, his pro choice/pro fag feminist wife Coretta, who spent decades by his side promoting his causes, was on the National Board of Directors of NOW. She knew her husband better than his pro life niece Alveda King did.
And I pointed out that King and/or the many advisers that surrounded him (government officials included) should have known the writings of Margaret Sanger and the work of Planned Parenthood President Alan Guttmacher.
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3587980&postcount=19
http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3760246&postcount=53
I also pointed out that King's wife Coretta, who accepted the Sanger award on his behalf, was involved in left wing causes, one of them the pro abortion National Organization of Women.
http://www.now.org/history/corettascottking.html
Quote:
FACT:
According to close friend and ally Ralph Abernathy, Martin Luther King Jr. was a adulterer. Read his book to find out the gory details.
Then we can change the discussion to those Republicans and pastors who have had national holidays named after them.
Quote:
FACT: The civil rights movement was backed by the Communist Party and had numerous communists inside of the movement, MLK Jr., while not a card carrying member, was an ally (he wasn't against the Vietnam War because he was anti-war, he didn't want us fighting mass murdering communists).
I never said that he was a card carrying member. Yet his ties to members of the Communist Party and his statements about the "evils of capitalism' surely make him a socialist.
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FACT:
MLK Jr. was not a Christian.
"He denied some of the most fundamental components of historic Christianity. He repudiated the doctrine of the deity of Jesus, and he rejected the concept that the Lord was raised bodily from the dead. King disdained the New Testament affirmation of Christ’s virgin birth, asserting that the early Christians devised a mythological story to account for the moral uniqueness of Jesus of Nazareth. His theology has been profusely documented in The Christian News Encyclopedia."
https://www.christiancourier.com/art...luther-king-jr
Maybe you can get Star Parker to come to TOL so that she too can be edjumacated on the truth behind this evil evil man.
So aCW's answer is a resounding "He should have known."
Arguable, but a far cry from sustaining he knew which is what you need if you're going to make his question meaningful as a slam.
That question/context again:
lain:
A more particular dissection of the irrationality of aCW's point found here.
Arguable, but a far cry from sustaining he knew which is what you need if you're going to make his question meaningful as a slam.
That question/context again:
Why indeed.
lain:A more particular dissection of the irrationality of aCW's point found here.
King knew. Perverts like King don't out of the blue become pro life.
annabenedetti
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So aCW's answer is a resounding "He should have known."
Arguable, but a far cry from sustaining he knew which is what you need if you're going to make his question meaningful as a slam.
That question/context again:
Why indeed.
A more particular dissection of the irrationality of aCW's point found here.
Especially since the photo is a fake:
Why would a supposed man of God associate with someone like this?
The photo is a fake.
Here is the real photo and the fake photo:
Couldn't you tell how badly photoshopped the picture is?
Do you really think the KKK members would have saluted her?
I confirmed that the photo wasn't authentic. Are you denying that Margaret Sanger spoke to the Ku Klux Klan and had numerous other offers to speak to them? (If so, refer to the youtube video in this link: http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3587980&postcount=19).
annabenedetti
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No, I'm not. I'm saying your photo is a fake, which it is.
And I appreciate the person that came forward who pointed that out.
That being said: Are you denying that Sanger spoke to the KKK?
aCW using questionable and unvetted material upon which to base a question that is almost self defeating on the face of it?
:shocked: Next you'll be telling us it's cold outside.
annabenedetti
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No. It's been documented. I take issue with your calling Martin Luther King a baby-killer based on an award given to him prior to the legalization of abortion. You wrongfully misrepresent him.
And by the way, although Catholicism has always prohibited artificial contraception, it's been accepted by most other Christian denominations for many years as you know. King, therefore, had no reason to be against artificial contraception based on his religious beliefs so your allegation of fraud is, again, dishonest.
By the way, you might find this helpful:
Sanger's family planning advocacy always focused on contraception, rather than abortion.[96][note 10] It was not until the mid-1960s, after Sanger's death, that the reproductive rights movement expanded its scope to include abortion rights as well as contraception.[note 11] Sanger was opposed to abortions, both because they were dangerous for the mother in the early 20th century and because she believed that life should not be terminated after conception. In her book Woman and the New Race, she wrote: "while there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization."[99]
Historian Rodger Streitmatter concluded that Sanger's opposition to abortion stemmed from concerns for the dangers to the mother, rather than moral concerns.[100] However, in her 1938 autobiography, Sanger noted that her opposition to abortion was based on the taking of life: "[In 1916] we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun."[101] And in her book Family Limitation, Sanger wrote that "no one can doubt that there are times when an abortion is justifiable but they will become unnecessary when care is taken to prevent conception. This is the only cure for abortions."[102]
Historian Rodger Streitmatter concluded that Sanger's opposition to abortion stemmed from concerns for the dangers to the mother, rather than moral concerns.[100] However, in her 1938 autobiography, Sanger noted that her opposition to abortion was based on the taking of life: "[In 1916] we explained what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not yet begun."[101] And in her book Family Limitation, Sanger wrote that "no one can doubt that there are times when an abortion is justifiable but they will become unnecessary when care is taken to prevent conception. This is the only cure for abortions."[102]
muslimsoldier
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That's a bold statement, and "facts" away from your narrow minded view of the world say otherwise. He was a Southern Baptist Preacher, and while adulterous, practiced non-violent means to make change. He turned the other cheek in other words, so that seems to be in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ PBUH. He quoted the Bible all the time as his inspiration for his many speeches, so not sure why you would say he's not a Christian.
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Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
And I appreciate the person that came forward who pointed that out.
That being said: Are you denying that Sanger spoke to the KKK?
Keep in mind that Martin Luther the King Jr. was the co-recipient to the first Margaret Sanger baby murdering award. There were 3 others besides MLtK Jr., one of them being the 36th President of the United States: Lyndon Baines Johnson.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ab...margaret-sanger-award-winners-4840.htm#Draper
You surely aren't implying that the President of the United States wouldn't have the resources to check the background of the people and organization that gave him and 3 others an award are you anna?
Would I be a "liar! liar! liar!" if based on your above post that I would come to the conclusion that Anna Benedetti believes Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was pro life?
Again, it's documented that Planned Parenthood President Alan Guttmacher had been working on legalizing abortion years before King and LBJ received the baby murdering award.
"In 1962, Alan Guttmacher, M.D., begins his 12-year tenure as Planned Parenthood president. He is a strong advocate for a woman's right to safe and legal abortion at a time when Americans are increasingly angered by the dire consequences of abortion restrictions.
"From 1956 to 1962, hundreds of women in the U.S. and Europe who took the drug thalidomide while pregnant give birth to children missing arms and legs. Sherri Finkbine, an American mother of four who used thalidomide, is refused an abortion. More than 60 percent of Americans disapprove of the refusal. Mrs. Finkbine flees to Sweden for a safe, legal abortion. (The fetus is gravely deformed.) Her case and others involving women who have taken thalidomide convince many Americans that anti-abortion laws need reform.
In 1966, an epidemic of rubella, which, like thalidomide, causes a high incidence of fetal deformity, heightens public anger against abortion bans.
These two tragedies, combined with women's growing demands for the right to control their own fertility, bolster public support for legal and safe abortion."
In 1961, Estelle Griswold, president of Planned Parenthood League of Connecticut, opens a birth control clinic to dispense contraceptives and to put the state's ban on birth control to the test. Her act of civil disobedience is rewarded: In 1965, the U.S. Supreme Court, in Griswold v. Connecticut, removes one of the last serious barriers to family planning when it strikes down state laws prohibiting the use of contraceptives by married couples.
Ten states immediately liberalize family planning legislation and begin to provide family planning services. In 1963, Colorado liberalizes its abortion law, followed by 13 other states in the next three years"
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/history-and-successes.htm
Now if indeed you are claiming that Margaret Sanger was pro life, perhaps we can discuss that poor wittle Margie was a victim of slander and libel and was taken out of context when she made this and other statements:
"The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
Margaret Sanger-Woman and the new race
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
And I appreciate the person that came forward who pointed that out.
That being said: Are you denying that Sanger spoke to the KKK?
Keep in mind that Martin Luther the King Jr. was the co-recipient to the first Margaret Sanger baby murdering award. There were 3 others besides MLtK Jr., one of them being the 36th President of the United States: Lyndon Baines Johnson.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ab...margaret-sanger-award-winners-4840.htm#Draper
You surely aren't implying that the President of the United States wouldn't have the resources to check the background of the people and organization that gave him and 3 others an award are you anna?
Would I be a "liar! liar! liar!" if based on your above post that I would come to the conclusion that Anna Benedetti believes Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was pro life?
Again, it's documented that Planned Parenthood President Alan Guttmacher had been working on legalizing abortion years before King and LBJ received the baby murdering award.
"In 1962, Alan Guttmacher, M.D., begins his 12-year tenure as Planned Parenthood president. He is a strong advocate for a woman's right to safe and legal abortion at a time when Americans are increasingly angered by the dire consequences of abortion restrictions.
"From 1956 to 1962, hundreds of women in the U.S. and Europe who took the drug thalidomide while pregnant give birth to children missing arms and legs. Sherri Finkbine, an American mother of four who used thalidomide, is refused an abortion. More than 60 percent of Americans disapprove of the refusal. Mrs. Finkbine flees to Sweden for a safe, legal abortion. (The fetus is gravely deformed.) Her case and others involving women who have taken thalidomide convince many Americans that anti-abortion laws need reform.
In 1966, an epidemic of rubella, which, like thalidomide, causes a high incidence of fetal deformity, heightens public anger against abortion bans.
These two tragedies, combined with women's growing demands for the right to control their own fertility, bolster public support for legal and safe abortion."
In 1961, Estelle Griswold, president of Planned Parenthood League of Connecticut, opens a birth control clinic to dispense contraceptives and to put the state's ban on birth control to the test. Her act of civil disobedience is rewarded: In 1965, the U.S. Supreme Court, in Griswold v. Connecticut, removes one of the last serious barriers to family planning when it strikes down state laws prohibiting the use of contraceptives by married couples.
Ten states immediately liberalize family planning legislation and begin to provide family planning services. In 1963, Colorado liberalizes its abortion law, followed by 13 other states in the next three years"
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/history-and-successes.htm
Now if indeed you are claiming that Margaret Sanger was pro life, perhaps we can discuss that poor wittle Margie was a victim of slander and libel and was taken out of context when she made this and other statements:
"The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it."
Margaret Sanger-Woman and the new race
annabenedetti
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You're a liar for putting "liar! liar! liar!" in quotation marks to make it seem like I've actually ever said it like that.
You defame Martin Luther King Jr. by calling him a baby-killer.
That quote is totally taken out of context. Here it is, in context:
This does not complete the case, however, for those who care to go farther into the subject will find that many of those who live for a year die before they reach the age of five. Many, perhaps, will think it idle to go farther in demonstrating the immorality of large families, but since there is still an abundance of proof at hand, it may be offered for the sake of those who find difficulty in adjusting old fashioned ideas to the facts. The most merciful thing that the large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it The same factors which create the terrible infant mortality rate and which swell the death rate of children between the ages of one and five operate even more extensively to lower the health rate of the surviving members.
The probability of a child handicapped by a weak constitution, an overcrowded home, inadequate food and care, and possibly a deficient mental equipment, winding up in prison or an almshouse, is too evident for comment. Every jail, hospital for the insane, reformatory and institution for the feebleminded cries out against the evils of too prolific breeding among wage-workers.
Sanger is talking about infant mortality rates and the miserable standards of living faced by children born into poor families, she's not telling anyone to kill babies. Context is everything.The probability of a child handicapped by a weak constitution, an overcrowded home, inadequate food and care, and possibly a deficient mental equipment, winding up in prison or an almshouse, is too evident for comment. Every jail, hospital for the insane, reformatory and institution for the feebleminded cries out against the evils of too prolific breeding among wage-workers.
Having said that - no, I'm not an apologist for Margaret Sanger and I don't share her belief in the wickedness of large families, her willingness to talk to the KKK, her interest in eugenics... these are well know facts. All of these things don't change your dishonesty in calling Martin Luther King Jr. a baby-killer because he was given an award named after a woman who didn't support abortion, seven years before abortion became legal in this country.
gcthomas
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Don't tell me that aCW is selectively quoting to completely change the meaning of published statement. Noooo. I don't believe it! Not the cuddly Christian aCW!
Oh, wait.
My mistake.
It seems to be most of what aCW posts. Situation normal.
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Feel better now?
As I mentioned in an earlier post: Margaret Sanger was a advocate of infanticide.
Sanger died in 1966, 3 years AFTER abortion laws were liberalized in CO, 3 years AFTER the Society for Human Abortion started handing out information on contraception and abortion in San Fransicko:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-abortion-timeline,0,7911413.story
That being said: let's review the life of your new 'hero' (Note the ' ').
Margaret Sanger (1879 – 1966) was a birth control, population control, and eugenics activist. She changed the world, but for the worse.
By 1911, Sanger had moved to New York City, where she became heavily influenced by anarchist, socialist, and labor activists. She began joining and participating in radical groups and causes.
In March 1914, Sanger published the first issue of her own paper, The Woman Rebel. Along with providing information about birth control, Sanger wholeheartedly supported the use of violence to achieve political, economic, and social goals. Case in point, the Lexington Avenue bombing. On July 4th of that year, a bomb accidentally exploded in a Harlem apartment, killing three men and one woman. The three men were planning to bomb the home of industrialist John D. Rockefeller, but the bomb exploded prematurely. The plan was devised at the Ferrer Center, an educational institution, which also served as the meeting place for a movement of radicals. Sanger lectured at the institution, and was active in the movement.
After the failed terrorist attempt, Sanger wrote a commentary, calling the deaths a display of “courage, determination, conviction, a spirit of defiance.” She argued the “real tragedy” was “the cowardice and the poisonous respectability” of the movement’s leaders who offered apologies, rather than defiance, for the episode. Sanger urged those in the movement to “accept and exult in every act of revolt against oppression,” including terrorist acts. She also published a complementary article that defended the assassination of political or industrial leaders.
The following month, August 1914, Sanger was indicted for inciting murder and assassination, and for violating obscenity laws. But instead of facing the charges, she fled the country. On the trip to England, after the ship had entered international waters, Sanger instructed her supporters to distribute 100,000 copies of her pamphlet, Family Limitation. In February 1916, the charges were dropped.
In October 1916, Sanger opened America’s first birth control clinic. Located in Brownsville, New York, the clinic permanently closed a month later, after Sanger was charged with maintaining a public nuisance. In February 1917, she was convicted and given a thirty day prison sentence.
Also in February 1917, the first issue of Sanger’s journal, The Birth Control Review, was published. She was The Review’s editor until 1929, and used her editorials to promote birth control and eugenics. For Sanger, these issues were inseparable.
The word eugenics, which means well born, was coined in 1883 by Sir Francis Galton, a cousin of Charles Darwin. Positive eugenics was a movement that attempted to “improve” the human population by encouraging “fit” people to reproduce. Negative eugenics, conversely, attempted to “improve” the human population by discouraging “unfit” people from reproducing. The “unfit” people included the poor, the sick, the disabled, and the “feeble-minded,” the “idiots,” the “morons,” and the “insane.” And “discouragement” from reproducing included the use of force.
Sanger rejected positive eugenics, while embracing negative eugenics. She wrote, “Like the advocates of Birth Control, the eugenists, for instance, are seeking to assist the race toward the elimination of the unfit. Both are seeking a single end but they lay emphasis upon different methods.” She stressed the need to merge eugenics with birth control, adding, “Eugenics without Birth Control seems to us a house builded upon the sands. It is at the mercy of the rising stream of the unfit.”
And Sanger advocated birth control backed up by forced sterilization or segregation to achieve her aims, writing, “While I personally believe in the sterilization of the feeble-minded, the insane and syphilitic, I have not been able to discover that these measures are more than superficial deterrents when applied to the constantly growing stream of the unfit. They are excellent means of meeting a certain phase of the situation, but I believe in regard to these, as in regard to other eugenic means, that they do not go to the bottom of the matter.” The bottom of the matter was “to create a race of thoroughbreds.” So the government, Sanger concluded, needed “to apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is already tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring” and “to give certain dysgenic groups in our population their choice of segregation or sterilization.”
In her 1920 book, Woman and the New Race, Sanger wrote that birth control “is nothing more or less than the facilitation of the process of weeding out the unfit, of preventing the birth of defectives or of those who will become defectives.”
She had a plan. And she was about to get an organization. In 1921, Sanger founded the American Birth Control League, which (following a 1939 merger with the Birth Control Clinical Research Bureau and then a 1942 name change) became the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. While the organization was growing, the close association between the birth control movement and the eugenics movement had made a name change necessary. Nazi Germany had implemented racial hygiene policies, including mass sterilizations, inspired by the eugenics movement in America. So “birth control” was removed from the name to create a new public image. The agenda, though, stayed the same. And in 1948, Sanger helped form the International Committee on Planned Parenthood, which (in 1952) became the International Planned Parenthood Federation...
Read more:
http://liveaction.org/research/margaret-sanger-quotes-history-and-biography
Sigh, if only Martin Luther the King Jr. and LBJ had had the resources to find out this information on the woman whose award they were given, I highly doubt that they would have accepted it...
Right anna?
annabenedetti
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You're still lying. Margaret Sanger isn't my hero.
Again:
All of these things don't change your dishonesty in calling Martin Luther King Jr. a baby-killer because he was given an award named after a woman who didn't support abortion, seven years before abortion became legal in this country.