It appears that certain tribes helped the Colonists and hence had a bounty on their heads by the British.
Aren't you glad that Colonists defeated those British barbarians? I certainly am.
(Sigh, she tries so hard).
The Politically Incorrect Truth About American Indians
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It appears that certain tribes helped the Colonists and hence had a bounty on their heads by the British.
Aren't you glad that Colonists defeated those British barbarians? I certainly am.
(Sigh, she tries so hard).
ok doser
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yes, i did - no contemporary uses of the word "redskin(s)" in this manner
actually, it's pretty certain - there is extant Bouquet's reply to Amherst, in his hand, rejecting the proposal
this is correct
but there are no documented outbreaks comtemporary with the traders journal timeline
the only documented outbreak at this time was most likely caused by contaminated bedding that was stolen by indians
ok doser
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:doh:
1755, moron
the penobscots were allied with the french, the proclamation was to protect the colonists
annabenedetti
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You've already be shown to be wrong on that by other posters, but I know you'll keep digging that racist hole.
Not long after President Abraham Lincoln signed the Pacific Railway Act of 1862, railroad financier George Francis Train proclaimed, “The great Pacific Railway is commenced.… Immigration will soon pour into these valleys. Ten millions of emigrants will settle in this golden land in twenty years.… This is the grandest enterprise under God!” Yet while Train may have envisioned all the glory and the possibilities of linking the East and the West coasts by “a strong band of iron,” he could not imagine the full and tragic impact of the Transcontinental Railroad, nor the speed at which it changed the shape of the American West. For in its wake, the lives of countless Native Americans were destroyed, and tens of millions of buffalo, which had roamed freely upon the Great Plains since the last ice age 10,000 years ago, were nearly driven to extinction in a massive slaughter made possible by the railroad. . . .
The Transcontinental Railroad made Sheridan’s strategy of “total war” much more effective. In the mid-19th century, it was estimated that 30 milion to 60 million buffalo roamed the plains. In massive and majestic herds, they rumbled by the hundreds of thousands, creating the sound that earned them the nickname “Thunder of the Plains.” The bison’s lifespan of 25 years, rapid reproduction and resiliency in their environment enabled the species to flourish, as Native Americans were careful not to overhunt, and even men like William “Buffalo Bill” Cody, who was hired by the Kansas Pacific Railroad to hunt the bison to feed thousands of rail laborers for years, could not make much of a dent in the buffalo population. In mid-century, trappers who had depleted the beaver populations of the Midwest began trading in buffalo robes and tongues; an estimated 200,000 buffalo were killed annually. Then the completion of the Transcontinental Railroad accelerated the decimation of the species.Massive hunting parties began to arrive in the West by train, with thousands of men packing .50 caliber rifles, and leaving a trail of buffalo carnage in their wake. Unlike the Native Americans or Buffalo Bill, who killed for food, clothing and shelter, the hunters from the East killed mostly for sport. Native Americans looked on with horror as landscapes and prairies were littered with rotting buffalo carcasses. The railroads began to advertise excursions for “hunting by rail,” where trains encountered massive herds alongside or crossing the tracks. Hundreds of men aboard the trains climbed to the roofs and took aim, or fired from their windows, leaving countless 1,500-pound animals where they died.
Harper’s Weekly described these hunting excursions:
Nearly every railroad train which leaves or arrives at Fort Hays on the Kansas Pacific Railroad has its race with these herds of buffalo; and a most interesting and exciting scene is the result. The train is “slowed” to a rate of speed about equal to that of the herd; the passengers get out fire-arms which are provided for the defense of the train against the Indians, and open from the windows and platforms of the cars a fire that resembles a brisk skirmish. Frequently a young bull will turn at bay for a moment. His exhibition of courage is generally his death-warrant, for the whole fire of the train is turned upon him, either killing him or some member of the herd in his immediate vicinity.
By the end of the 19th century, only 300 buffalo were left in the wild. Congress finally took action, outlawing the killing of any birds or animals in Yellowstone National Park, where the only surviving buffalo herd could be protected. Conservationists established more wildlife preserves, and the species slowly rebounded. Today, there are more than 200,000 bison in North America.
Sheridan acknowledged the role of the railroad in changing the face of the American West, and in his Annual Report of the General of the U.S. Army in 1878, he acknowledged that the Native Americans were scuttled to reservations with no compensation beyond the promise of religious instruction and basic supplies of food and clothing—promises, he wrote, which were never fulfilled.
“We took away their country and their means of support, broke up their mode of living, their habits of life, introduced disease and decay among them, and it was for this and against this they made war. Could any one expect less? Then, why wonder at Indian difficulties?”
Smallpox Devastation American and Canadian Indians
Native populations of the Americas lacked immunity to the infectious diseases that had ravaged Europe and Asia for centuries. Sparse populations on the Plains and the pristine valleys of the Rocky Mountains prevented a buildup of communicable diseases. The “white man” diseases…measles, chicken pox, typhus, typhoid fever, dysentery, scarlet fever, diphtheria, and after 1832, cholera…devastated the American Indian. Lumped together, these diseases did not equal the havoc of smallpox in terms of number of deaths, realignment of tribal alliances, and subsequent changes in Canadian and American Indian Cultures.
Smallpox in the New World:
Some of the African slaves brought by Columbus to be used on the sugar plantation of the West Indies carried the smallpox virus. In 1495, fifty-seven to eighty percent of the native population of Santa Domingo, and in 1515, two-thirds of the Indians of Puerto Rico were wiped out by smallpox. Ten years after Cortez arrived in Mexico, the native population dropped from twenty-five million to six million five hundred thousand a reduction of seventy-four percent.
Read more: http://thefurtrapper.com/home/indian-smallpox/
Undoubtedly smuggled in on blankets for the purpose of extermination.
Yeah, uh huh. Alex Jones, take a break.
annabenedetti
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I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean contemporaneous?
ok doser
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annabenedetti
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I just love telling..."the rest of the story".
Who Killed off all the Buffalo?
Once upon a time, the American buffalo roamed North America in large numbers, perhaps as many as 10-70 million. But by the mid-1880s, its once-vast numbers had been reduced to just a few hundred. Who killed the buffalo? And why?
The Rise of the Buffalo?
Interestingly enough, the rise of the American buffalo may have coincided with the fall of the Native American tribes. According to this theory, put forth by Charles Mann, the Native Americans originally created grasslands for the buffalo population and heavily regulated their activities.
“Hernando De Soto’s expedition staggered through the Southeast for four years in the early 16th century and saw hordes of people but apparently did not see a single bison.” ~ Charles Mann, 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus
When the Europeans first arrived in the New World, they inadvertently brought along diseases with them. Native Americans died off in massive numbers and buffalo herds found themselves free. They began to roam and quickly spread across the land, eventually becoming the most dominant large animal in what is now the United States.
Who Killed the Buffalo?
So, that helps explain the spread of the buffalo. But what about the fall? Well, it appears there are a few culprits here…the Native Americans themselves, commercial hunters, and the U.S. Army.
Native Americans, contrary to popular opinion, were not quite the “noble savages” they are often portrayed to be in modern culture. They hunted buffalo in large numbers, even going so far as to herd them into makeshift chutes and stampede them over cliffs (this took place at the well-named Head-Smashed-In Buffalo Jump in Alberta, Canada along with many others). The Comanche alone killed more than 280,000 buffalo a year.
“They were killing more than 280,000 bison a year – the maximum loss the herds could sustain without imploding – and at the very time the great drought of 1845-50 was exacerbating the situation.” ~ Frank McLynn, Review of The Comanche Empire by Pekka Hämäläinen
http://www.davidmeyercreations.com/strange-science/who-killed-off-all-the-buffalo/
280,000 buffalo/bison killed a year by the Comanche's alone. Wow, that's a lot of dead animals for such a small group of people, who were...ahem...conservationists.
annabenedetti
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drbrumley
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yeah, here is "the rest of the story"
General Sherman's army wiped out most of the buffalo...
drbrumley
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Close...though that did indeed happen....shooting buffalo from trains for sport.
There's no denying that. Why is it that you won't admit the fact that the American Indian played a part in it's near extinction as well?
BTW, the Comanche population at that time was anywhere from 7,000 to 30,000. Why was it necessary for them to kill 280,000 buffalo/bison a year?
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Comanche-people
Racism:
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group
Play nice Aaron. My point was that the British were the enemy.
ok doser
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Steve Martin and John Candy?
drbrumley
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Because they didn't...if you had bothered to get into more detail instead of looking for faults, you would have recognized there was a major drought around that time.
You don't know much do you? Plus now you sound like a tree hugger.... there are lots of reasons for that...survival, trade, etc. It seems you have this notion these tribes only stayed within themselves....they provided food for other tribes within and without the plain Indians range. They had treaties with the white man....But this is certain, they used almost every bit of the Buffalo.
drbrumley
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:rotfl: Oh I do miss John Candy...
ok doser
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Yes, I've seen that before - it uses the term "red-skin" to describe the individual, much as the native americans did and still do.
It does NOT refer to their scalps or other body parts to be turned in for a bounty
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
There's no denying that. Why is it that you won't admit the fact that the American Indian played a part in it's near extinction as well?
280,000 bison/buffalo killed each year by the Comanche (which doesn't include the numbers killed by the other Midwestern tribes), does sound rather excessive.
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
BTW, the Comanche population at that time was anywhere from 7,000 to 30,000. Why was it necessary for them to kill 280,000 buffalo/bison a year?
The things one learns on the internet. When the most barbaric tribe of all of the Indian tribes (the Comanche) weren't butchering their fellow Indians, they were playing Mother Theresa and feeding the poor.
Regarding "they used almost every bit of the buffalo".
This post shows differently:
Similarly, where game was plentiful, Indians used only the choicest cuts and left the rest.
When buffalo were herded over cliffs, tons of meat were left to rot or to be eaten by scavengers (see Baden, Stroup, and Thurman 1981).
Samuel Hearne, a fur trader near Hudson’s Bay, recorded in his journal in the 1770s that the Chipewayan Indians would slaughter large numbers of caribou and muskox, eat only a few tongues, and leave the rest to rot.
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...ican-Indians&p=5352896&viewfull=1#post5352896
There's no denying that. Why is it that you won't admit the fact that the American Indian played a part in it's near extinction as well?
280,000 bison/buffalo killed each year by the Comanche (which doesn't include the numbers killed by the other Midwestern tribes), does sound rather excessive.
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
BTW, the Comanche population at that time was anywhere from 7,000 to 30,000. Why was it necessary for them to kill 280,000 buffalo/bison a year?
The things one learns on the internet. When the most barbaric tribe of all of the Indian tribes (the Comanche) weren't butchering their fellow Indians, they were playing Mother Theresa and feeding the poor.
Regarding "they used almost every bit of the buffalo".
This post shows differently:
Similarly, where game was plentiful, Indians used only the choicest cuts and left the rest.
When buffalo were herded over cliffs, tons of meat were left to rot or to be eaten by scavengers (see Baden, Stroup, and Thurman 1981).
Samuel Hearne, a fur trader near Hudson’s Bay, recorded in his journal in the 1770s that the Chipewayan Indians would slaughter large numbers of caribou and muskox, eat only a few tongues, and leave the rest to rot.
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...ican-Indians&p=5352896&viewfull=1#post5352896