glorydaz
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Yeah, why is that?
The Most Dangerous Teaching
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Yeah, why is that?
I betcha Paul knows.
glorydaz
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Romans 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Turbo-6 is one of the wisest men who ever walked 'Planet Earth.' Oh, wait for a second, I was just being my 'hyperbolic' self. Sorry.
turbosixx
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Why insult me to everyone? NEED affirmation that your better than me?
Jerry Shugart
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It was indeed good news. The Jews who believed that good news were saved the moment when they believed it.
Right Divider
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Peter was not preaching the cross as good news anywhere in Acts 1-8
Acts 2:23 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:23) Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
That is not good news and those that hear it understood that.
Acts 2:37-40 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:37) ¶ Now when they heard [this], they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men [and] brethren, what shall we do? (2:38) Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (2:39) For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call. (2:40) And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
There is good news there, but it's NOT about the cross.
Jerry Shugart
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On the day of Pentecost Peter preached the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus as proof that He is the Christ, the Son of God. That was indeed good news and those who believed that truth were born of God the moment when they believed it.
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So when they heard this good news they were so overjoyed that they were "pricked in their heart" and asked "what must we do"?
What did Peter tell them? Saved by grace without works? The gospel of the grace of God? Nothing but the Christ and Him crucified?
Nope. Repent and get water baptized.
Jerry Shugart
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They were pricked in the heart when they realized that they had crucified their promised Messiah. And they were saved by grace through faith when they believed what Peter told them here:
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36).
Dr. Stanley D. Toussaint writes the following commentary on Acts 2:36:
"Here is the conclusion to Peter's sermon. The noun 'Lord', referring to 'Christ', probably is a reference to Yahweh. The same word 'kyrios' is used of 'God' in verses 21, 34, and 39 (cf. Phil. 2:9). This is a strong affirmation of Christ's deity" (The Bible Knowledge Commentary; New Testament, ed. Walvoord & Zuck, [ChariotVictor Publishing, 1983], 359).
Those who believed that truth were born of God when they believed (1 Jn.5:1-5) and therefore received life:
"Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name" (Jn.20:30-31).
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So to you and Stan, that is the "preaching of the cross"?
What difference, if any, do you see between the ministry of the 12 and the ministry of the 1?
Jerry Shugart
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I never said that anyone was preaching that on the day of Pentecost
At first the twelve were stewards of the gospel of the kingdom but later they were stewards of the gospel of grace:
"Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God’s grace in its various forms" (1 Pet.4:10).
In the Hebrew epistles we can see that the teaching there mirrors Paul's teaching, who repeatedly used the words "free" and "liberty" when referring to the fact that those in the Body of Christ have been set free from the law:
"And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage" (Gal.2:4).
"Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage" (Gal.5:1).
In fact, Paul charged the Galatians not to use the liberty as a base of operations for sin:
"For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another" (Gal.5:13).
That matches what Peter said in his first epistle:
"As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God" (1 Pet.2:16).
It is the "perfect law of liberty" which applies to those who received the epistle of James:
"But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed" (James 1:25).
Are we to believe that the "law of liberty" spoken of here is the Law, which Peter referred to as a "yoke"?:
"Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?" (Acts 15:10).
Paul also referred to the Law as a "yoke of bondage":
"Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage" (Gal.5:1).
In fact, Paul contrasted the "yoke of bondage" with the "liberty" which belongs to all who have been set free from the law. So common sense dictates that the "perfect law of liberty" of which James speaks, is not the Law of Moses but instead the gospel of grace.
Right Divider
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Got it.... there was some good news, but not the good news of the cross per Paul.
Jerry Shugart
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Yes, it was certainly good news to the Jewish believers that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God. And it was certainly good news to them because belief in that good news resulted in salvation for them.
andyc
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He's making a lot of sense in what he's saying. You never do.
andyc
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He was born needing affirmation.
andyc
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So nothing's changed then.
andyc
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The body of Christ is the church (Col 1:24).
andyc
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And us.