turbosixx
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These are the last people that we see Paul convert. If he had a different gospel, why would he baptize them?
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turbosixx
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This is before the cross and they were not instructed to be baptized in his name until after.
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Those people were not "converts".... they were already believers. They were baptized by John the baptizer.
I don't think that they were rebaptized. I believe that Paul story is still referring to John the B when he says that "the people" were baptized.
turbosixx
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If they were already believers, (1) then why didn't they already have the Spirit if the spirit is the one that does the baptizing? (2) Why did they need to be baptized in the name of Jesus like this.
Acts 10:47 “Can anyone withhold water for baptizing these people, who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?” 48 And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ.
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So you think that John the B was baptizing unbelievers?
Once AGAIN, Peter was NOT preaching the gospel of the grace of God in Acts 10
Acts 10:35 (AKJV/PCE)
(10:35) But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
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Titus 3:5 (AKJV/PCE)
(3:5) Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Jerry Shugart
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Of course you will absolutely refuse to believe what Paul said here:
"For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth" (Ro.1:16).
According to your ideas no one is saved by believing the gospel because according to you a person must first believe and then submit to the rite of water baptism before he is saved.
WatchmanOnTheWall
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turbosixx
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I would suggest to you John did not baptize these men. If you read the end of Acts 18, you can see what they were taught.
Also, as far as I know, John the B never preached Jesus but prepared the way for him.
Peter preached the same thing Paul did.
turbosixx
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I believe Paul. The difference between you and I is I believe Paul and Jesus. You only believe Paul.
That's odd, because, Paul received his "Gospel" from the Lord Jesus Christ Himself. How do you explain that?
Nope. It looks like you're wrong again. Keep this up and the "Guinness people" will be knocking on your door.
There is no gravity.
You're wrong, life has its ups and downs.
turbosixx
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I agree with it statement.
My point is Jesus said those who believe and are baptized shall be saved.
Jerry only focuses on Paul's statement to the jailer that he is to believe but ignores the fact that he was baptized as Jesus instructed.
turbosixx
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Please point out where I am mistaken.
Jerry Shugart
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If it took faith plus water baptism to be saved then when Paul was asked what one must do to be saved he would have answered, "Believe in the Lord Jesus and be baptized and you will be saved."
But that is not what he said. Instead, he only mentioned fsaith.
We also know that as soon as Cornelius believed he was speaking in tongues and that happened before he was baptized with water. We know that he was saved prior to being baptized with water because the Holy Spirit fell on him before being baptized.
Jesus, in His "earthly ministry", was preaching to the "Lost sheep of the House of Israel", only. Matthew 15:24 backs that up. That cannot be disputed.
Paul was Preaching to the Gentiles. His message was the same message that the "resurrected" Lord Jesus Christ gave him on the "Road to Damascus."
Everything the 12 Apostles learned was through the "earthly ministry" of Christ. Paul said in Galatians 1:12 "For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ."
Paul didn't receive the same knowledge that the 12 learned while Christ walked the earth. Paul received "his Gospel" after Christ had been resurrected.
Paul didn't receive the same knowledge that the 12 learned while Christ walked the earth. Paul received "his Gospel" after Christ had been resurrected.
Hi and in Acts 10:48 , he was baptized in the , NAME OF THE LORD !!
Your quote of Acts 10:47 , who received the Holy Spirit JUST AS WE ALSO , all POINTS BACK to PENTECOST , don't you see and NOT to the B O C !!
In Acts 19:5 , they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus !!
In Acts 2:38 , Peter baptized in the Name of Jesus Christ !!
In Acyts 22:16 , calling upon the name of the Lord !!
In Mark 16:16 , IT has NO FORMULA whatsoever ??
Why so many ??
This post is for tuborsixx !!
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Peter and the rest we're Preaching what Christ had taught them in His earthly ministry. Paul was preaching a NEW Revelation (The Grace Gospel) to the Gentiles.