If the far left Liberals had their way, we'd be at war with Russia. Hillary was a "War Hawk."
The long nightmare has just begun: Inauguration of a fraud.
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The "LIBS" are fighting Trump in the media, the streets, and parts of our Government. Trump is being railroaded by these lunatics.
McCain, Pelosi, Graham, Maxine Waters, and a number of others are at the forefront of this political War. There's a "Psychological Civil-war" being fought in America. We are a divided Nation. The Bible says in Mark 3:25: "And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand."
And here's why almost nothing in GM's attack makes sense.
GM thinks Comey should be removed. Okay, everyone is entitled, but why? Well, because Comey is a weak, politically motivated man who is at war with the President of the United States.
There's a problem with that sort of thinking that I notice often enough at the extremes of political discourse, the need to both demonize and marginalize, the inability to credit the perceived opponent in any regard that leads to logical head scratching when the parts are summed.
Weak men don't take on the most powerful guy in a room.
Politically motivated men don't take on the head of the ruling party, one that likes to remind us it has a solid hold on much of the nation at the state level too. There's no political gain to be had.
Or is it that GM believes the President is even weaker than Comey and that the hold of the Republican party is tenuous and slipping?
We are on the brink of War with North Korea. We also are at War with the Islamic Terrorists at the same time. That means we're basically fighting two fronts.
As usual, I got through about one sentence of your "Liberal stance" and had to ignore the rest. Liberals don't see the whole picture. They are basically, blind and brainwashed.
I can only "take" so much "Liberal nonsense" before having to "Tune out" these days. I know TH means well, however, his Liberal views are diametrically opposed to my own.
The first thing in the morning I read "Google News" and if you're a Conservative, such as myself you might as well ignore the "Top of the news stories." It's loaded with "far left" tales of woe against Trump.
exminister
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Oh I didn't know Trump was a leftist. He is always doing that. And yet you are not disturbed by his behavior. :rotfl:
According to the "Far-left media", Trump can't do anything right. Actually, everything he does is "RIGHT" in more ways than one.
Since you weren't blessed with "Extraordinary Wit" you best work on your limited "sense of humor."
exminister
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Comey loved Obama but not Hillary. He loved Trump before and not Hillary. Love is so fickle.
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Trump is "The President of the People." He goes straight to the people and avoids the "Leftists" that are his enemies and the enemies of the people. Reagan has always been my #1 favorite President. President Trump is in the process of replacing Reagan as my favorite.
As usual, you stay on the surface, get it wrong and hide behind the error. It's a darn peculiar way to live, GM, but that's your call.
I wouldn't know, not being one. That, again, is simply one of your "get out of arguments/criticisms free" cards you play when you can't reasonably answer.
In his rush to demonize and withhold even the appearance of credit GM took positions at odds, wherein a weak man took on the bully and a political operator attacked the root of his political life... When called on it he took a shot at the messenger in lieu of answering and bowed out else.
Which is funny, given.
Don't you think that Trump used this to change the media focus from the Jeff S attacking that was in full speed mode until it was trumped over against Hussein Obama? My first thought was this is a great move because I really don't give a grosnick if trump is lying about it. It's all par for the course. You know, fake news.
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annabenedetti
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You have anything useful to contribute, or are you just here to troll?
annabenedetti
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So maybe they're doing that, plus getting off their butts and making a public stand.
You know, kind of like the tea partiers did. I don't remember you having a problem with their protests.
annabenedetti
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The FBI probe into Trump and Russia is huge news.
Our political system isn’t ready for it.
Imagine someone had told you, a few years ago, that the FBI would soon be investigating a possible plot by a Republican presidential campaign to help Russia interfere in the US election — and that this interference had ultimately helped Donald J. Trump become president of the United States. You would have laughed in their face, or maybe accused them of confusing reality with a particularly lurid Tom Clancy novel.
But we learned on Monday morning that this is absolutely, 100 percent, without a doubt our reality. FBI Director James Comey confirmed it in testimony before the House Permanent Subcommittee on Intelligence, telling the assembled representatives that his counterintelligence investigators were looking into the Trump team’s links to Russia.
“[The FBI is] investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts,” Comey said.
We’re so used to reports on Trump’s Russia ties that it’s easy to lose sight of the enormity here: There is an official FBI investigation into a presidential campaign’s possible collusion with a hostile foreign power for the first time in US history. Seasoned national security reporters, like the New York Times’s Matt Rosenberg, can scarcely believe it:
Amidst all the sturm und drang surrounding Trump’s fight with the press and intelligence community over leaks, all of the tweets and hours of congressional hearings, this is what matters. We’re in the midst of what’s already a significant scandal — and one that could, depending on what the FBI uncovers, end up being the biggest political scandal everin our history.
And it’s not clear, judging by the behavior of the Republicans at the House Intelligence hearing, if our hyper-polarized political system is capable of handling it.
The Russia investigation is absolutely huge
The mere fact of an FBI investigation isn’t proof that the Trump administration has actually done anything illegal. But the fact that there is an investigation at all shows the suspicions are at least serious enough to warrant a full investigation. And in this case, the FBI’s suspicions are supported by a lot of information that’s already in the public record.
We already know, for example, that members of Trump’s campaign, including former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, were in touch with Russian intelligence officers. We know that Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who also served as a foreign policy adviser to Trump during the campaign, met repeatedly with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak before the election. We know that Russian intelligence hacked the emails of the Democratic National Committee and Clinton ally John Podesta. And we know that Trump confidante Roger Stone admits that he spoke to the Russian intelligence cutout who claimed responsibility for the DNC hack (who goes by the name Guccifer 2.0).
When you put this all together, there’s a clear and demonstrated pattern of contact between Trump’s closest associates and Russian officials. That is, in and of itself, disturbing: Political campaigns are not typically in the habit of communicating with countries who are currently bombing US military partners.
What’s more, there’s also a consistent pattern of Trump administration officials being less than forthcoming about their Russia ties. Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn lied about his contacts with Kislyak, as did current Attorney General Jeff Sessions. The lies cost Flynn his job and forced Sessions to recuse himself from the FBI’s Russia investigation.
Yet Trump himself continues to deny, in the face of all this evidence, that there’s any story here:
This is why, even if nothing else is uncovered, the FBI investigation is so important. The president’s team has links to Russia that are objectively worrying — and has a routine pattern of lying and blaming the media when confronted with them. There’s a question of fundamental credibility, of why they feel the need to dissemble, at stake here.
The thought that the president may be lying, or at least not being fully forthcoming, about his administration’s ties to a hostile power is disturbing enough in its own right.
The very fact that the FBI is investigating the administration two months into its tenure shows that things are not going well in the most powerful office in the world.
But if the worst-case scenario comes to pass, and the FBI find hard evidence that the Trump campaign was in league with the Russians, then the already-serious scandal becomes a national crisis.
“If [there’s] coordination, then this scandal becomes Watergate-like,” Michael McFaul, the former US ambassador to Russia, tweeted.
McFaul, if anything, understated the case. In Watergate, a presidential campaign authorized a break-in aimed at stealing sensitive information from the Democratic National Committee. This would be the exact same thing, only done digitally and with the help of a hostile foreign power.
It would represent collusion with Russian President Vladimir Putin to undermine American — and Western — democracy.
The notion that a US president could be involved in something like that should seem preposterous. The fact that the FBI is taking it seriously says volumes.
Our political system isn’t ready for it.
Imagine someone had told you, a few years ago, that the FBI would soon be investigating a possible plot by a Republican presidential campaign to help Russia interfere in the US election — and that this interference had ultimately helped Donald J. Trump become president of the United States. You would have laughed in their face, or maybe accused them of confusing reality with a particularly lurid Tom Clancy novel.
But we learned on Monday morning that this is absolutely, 100 percent, without a doubt our reality. FBI Director James Comey confirmed it in testimony before the House Permanent Subcommittee on Intelligence, telling the assembled representatives that his counterintelligence investigators were looking into the Trump team’s links to Russia.
“[The FBI is] investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia’s efforts,” Comey said.
We’re so used to reports on Trump’s Russia ties that it’s easy to lose sight of the enormity here: There is an official FBI investigation into a presidential campaign’s possible collusion with a hostile foreign power for the first time in US history. Seasoned national security reporters, like the New York Times’s Matt Rosenberg, can scarcely believe it:
Matthew RosenbergVerified account @AllMattNYT Follow
Folks, let’s take a step back and absorb the fact that the FBI has confirmed there is an espionage investigation involving the White House
Folks, let’s take a step back and absorb the fact that the FBI has confirmed there is an espionage investigation involving the White House
Amidst all the sturm und drang surrounding Trump’s fight with the press and intelligence community over leaks, all of the tweets and hours of congressional hearings, this is what matters. We’re in the midst of what’s already a significant scandal — and one that could, depending on what the FBI uncovers, end up being the biggest political scandal everin our history.
And it’s not clear, judging by the behavior of the Republicans at the House Intelligence hearing, if our hyper-polarized political system is capable of handling it.
The Russia investigation is absolutely huge
The mere fact of an FBI investigation isn’t proof that the Trump administration has actually done anything illegal. But the fact that there is an investigation at all shows the suspicions are at least serious enough to warrant a full investigation. And in this case, the FBI’s suspicions are supported by a lot of information that’s already in the public record.
We already know, for example, that members of Trump’s campaign, including former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort, were in touch with Russian intelligence officers. We know that Attorney General Jeff Sessions, who also served as a foreign policy adviser to Trump during the campaign, met repeatedly with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak before the election. We know that Russian intelligence hacked the emails of the Democratic National Committee and Clinton ally John Podesta. And we know that Trump confidante Roger Stone admits that he spoke to the Russian intelligence cutout who claimed responsibility for the DNC hack (who goes by the name Guccifer 2.0).
When you put this all together, there’s a clear and demonstrated pattern of contact between Trump’s closest associates and Russian officials. That is, in and of itself, disturbing: Political campaigns are not typically in the habit of communicating with countries who are currently bombing US military partners.
What’s more, there’s also a consistent pattern of Trump administration officials being less than forthcoming about their Russia ties. Former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn lied about his contacts with Kislyak, as did current Attorney General Jeff Sessions. The lies cost Flynn his job and forced Sessions to recuse himself from the FBI’s Russia investigation.
Yet Trump himself continues to deny, in the face of all this evidence, that there’s any story here:
Donald J. TrumpVerified account @realDonaldTrump Follow
The Democrats made up and pushed the Russian story as an excuse for running a terrible campaign. Big advantage in Electoral College & lost!
The Democrats made up and pushed the Russian story as an excuse for running a terrible campaign. Big advantage in Electoral College & lost!
This is why, even if nothing else is uncovered, the FBI investigation is so important. The president’s team has links to Russia that are objectively worrying — and has a routine pattern of lying and blaming the media when confronted with them. There’s a question of fundamental credibility, of why they feel the need to dissemble, at stake here.
The thought that the president may be lying, or at least not being fully forthcoming, about his administration’s ties to a hostile power is disturbing enough in its own right.
The very fact that the FBI is investigating the administration two months into its tenure shows that things are not going well in the most powerful office in the world.
But if the worst-case scenario comes to pass, and the FBI find hard evidence that the Trump campaign was in league with the Russians, then the already-serious scandal becomes a national crisis.
“If [there’s] coordination, then this scandal becomes Watergate-like,” Michael McFaul, the former US ambassador to Russia, tweeted.
McFaul, if anything, understated the case. In Watergate, a presidential campaign authorized a break-in aimed at stealing sensitive information from the Democratic National Committee. This would be the exact same thing, only done digitally and with the help of a hostile foreign power.
It would represent collusion with Russian President Vladimir Putin to undermine American — and Western — democracy.
The notion that a US president could be involved in something like that should seem preposterous. The fact that the FBI is taking it seriously says volumes.
ClimateSanity
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A phony cooked up scandal that exists only in the minds of its adherents is always better than Obama.
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