If you happen to be among the 24 million Americans who will lose their healthcare insurance, you may not live long enough to determine as to whether "TheDonald" is any better at delivering on that promise, than he was on "Trumpcare!" .
The long nightmare has just begun: Inauguration of a fraud.
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"If you happen to be among the 24 million Americans who will lose their healthcare insurance, you may not live long enough to determine as to whether "TheDonald" is any better at delivering on that promise, than he was on "Trumpcare!" .
There is an assumption behind this statement that if people do not have healthcare insurance that they will die, because the present American healthcare system causes people to live longer.
There is a bit of truth in the statement, because the healthcare system does sometimes save lives of people who have serious injuries and saves some lives from infectious diseases through the use of anti-biotics.
But the assumption that the present day American health care system causes people to live longer because it deals effectively with degenerative diseases is an empirical question.
And - the old legal comment "assumes facts not in evidence" applies greatly here.
http://time.com/2888403/u-s-health-care-ranked-worst-in-the-developed-world/
"The U.S. health care system has been subject to heated debate over the past decade, but one thing that has remained consistent is the level of performance, which has been ranked as the worst among industrialized nations for the fifth time, according to the 2014 Commonwealth Fund survey 2014. "
http://thepatientfactor.com/canadia...zations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/
The USA health care system ranks number 37, with the best health care systems being those of France, and of
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany.
The obvious conclusion is that before the issue of how the federal government deals with health insurance is decided, the American healthcare system has to be improved in cost-effectiveness a great deal. It is much too expensive and much too incompetent for degenerative diseases. Most likely, the naturopathic health care system, which only a growing minority know about and use, is more cost-effective.
There is an assumption behind this statement that if people do not have healthcare insurance that they will die, because the present American healthcare system causes people to live longer.
There is a bit of truth in the statement, because the healthcare system does sometimes save lives of people who have serious injuries and saves some lives from infectious diseases through the use of anti-biotics.
But the assumption that the present day American health care system causes people to live longer because it deals effectively with degenerative diseases is an empirical question.
And - the old legal comment "assumes facts not in evidence" applies greatly here.
http://time.com/2888403/u-s-health-care-ranked-worst-in-the-developed-world/
"The U.S. health care system has been subject to heated debate over the past decade, but one thing that has remained consistent is the level of performance, which has been ranked as the worst among industrialized nations for the fifth time, according to the 2014 Commonwealth Fund survey 2014. "
http://thepatientfactor.com/canadia...zations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/
The USA health care system ranks number 37, with the best health care systems being those of France, and of
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany.
The obvious conclusion is that before the issue of how the federal government deals with health insurance is decided, the American healthcare system has to be improved in cost-effectiveness a great deal. It is much too expensive and much too incompetent for degenerative diseases. Most likely, the naturopathic health care system, which only a growing minority know about and use, is more cost-effective.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
here's a link to the metrics used by the WHO for their rankings:
http://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf
http://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf
annabenedetti
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Trump promised not to cut Medicaid. His health bill will cut $880 billion from it.
Trump’s promise not to cut Medicaid wasn’t a one-off — he used it specifically to argue that he was different from other Republicans. In May 2015 when he was preparing his campaign, he said, “I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid. Every other Republican is going to cut.”
That same month, he tweeted the following:
Trump’s promise not to cut Medicaid wasn’t a one-off — he used it specifically to argue that he was different from other Republicans. In May 2015 when he was preparing his campaign, he said, “I’m not going to cut Medicare or Medicaid. Every other Republican is going to cut.”
That same month, he tweeted the following:
I was the first & only potential GOP candidate to state there will be no cuts to Social Security, Medicare & Medicaid. Huckabee copied me.
annabenedetti
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Kellyanne Conway says our microwaves turn into cameras.
And Sean Spicer says that "wire tapping" is different from "wiretapping."
Meanwhile, flying under their distraction cover are Trumpcare and the immigration order, and this:
And Sean Spicer says that "wire tapping" is different from "wiretapping."
Meanwhile, flying under their distraction cover are Trumpcare and the immigration order, and this:
TIMELINE: Flynn Lobbied For Turkish Interests In The Thick Of The Campaign
Documents recently filed by retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn detail the work his consulting firm was doing that “could be construed to have principally benefited the Republic of Turkey” while he was serving as a top Donald Trump campaign adviser, and that continued after he was named the designated national security adviser to the President-elect.
Timeline and ledger at the link.Documents recently filed by retired Lt. Gen. Michael Flynn detail the work his consulting firm was doing that “could be construed to have principally benefited the Republic of Turkey” while he was serving as a top Donald Trump campaign adviser, and that continued after he was named the designated national security adviser to the President-elect.
Somewhere in the dim distance the ghosts of the Grant administration are beginning to uncork their champagne.
annabenedetti
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I like it. There's a lot of past and future packed in that nutshell.
Meanwhile, Trump's handlers had a little heart-to-heart with Senator Burr, sharing with him the travails of corralling those early-morning Tweets emanating from Mar-a-Dacha:
Senate Intel Chair: I Got 'Sufficient' Answers On Trump Wiretap Claim
Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC), the chair of the Senate Intelligence Committee, on Monday said that he received a "sufficient" response from the Trump administration about President Donald Trump's unsubstantiated claim that he was wiretapped by President Barack Obama.
"I've talked to all the appropriate people," he told CNN. "I would say from our conversations, what we've gotten are sufficient answers."
Burr would not say whether there is evidence to back up Trump's claim, per CNN.
Burr's comments came the same day that the Justice Department told the House Intelligence Committee that the department needed more time to respond to the committee's request about Trump's claim. A spokeswoman for the department said that they needed more time to "review the request in compliance with the governing legal authorities and to determine what if any responsive documents may exist."
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Mar-A-Dacha :rotfl:
annabenedetti
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annabenedetti
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The CBO wallops Paul Ryan
[President] Trump’s budget director, Mick Mulvaney, said the report is “just absurd,” and Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price said: “We disagree strenuously” with it.Ryan defended the report, saying that it proves that the proposal will “dramatically” reduce the deficit and usher in “the most fundamental entitlement reform in a generation.”
The Congressional Budget Office’s scoring of the American Health Care Act was expected to be bad. It was not, among Republicans, expected to be as bad as it was, and that’s the fault of House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.), who did not properly prepare his members. The GOP defense was haphazard and contradictory. The Post reported:
[President] Trump’s budget director, Mick Mulvaney, said the report is “just absurd,” and Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price said: “We disagree strenuously” with it.Ryan defended the report, saying that it proves that the proposal will “dramatically” reduce the deficit and usher in “the most fundamental entitlement reform in a generation.”
The CBO is wrong. The CBO is actually good news. The CBO doesn’t matter. (Ryan insisted, “Our plan is not about forcing people to buy expensive, one-size-fits-all coverage.”) Which is it, fellas? Democrats could barely contain their glee, demanding that Ryan “pull the bill” and deeming it “immoral.” They had a point.
. . . .
Democrats found evidence that the bill constitutes a stunning transfer of wealth, as House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said. She argued that while 24 million will lose coverage, the Republicans are “implementing the biggest transfer for wealth in our history, $600 billion gone from working families to the richest people and corporations in our country.” The bill improves the deficit picture only because it takes away more from the less well-off than it gives to the rich. The CBO explains that it will narrow the deficit “by $337 billion over the 2017-2026 period. … That change would result from a $1.2 trillion decrease in direct spending, partially offset by an $883 billion in revenues.”
. . . .
Democrats found evidence that the bill constitutes a stunning transfer of wealth, as House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said. She argued that while 24 million will lose coverage, the Republicans are “implementing the biggest transfer for wealth in our history, $600 billion gone from working families to the richest people and corporations in our country.” The bill improves the deficit picture only because it takes away more from the less well-off than it gives to the rich. The CBO explains that it will narrow the deficit “by $337 billion over the 2017-2026 period. … That change would result from a $1.2 trillion decrease in direct spending, partially offset by an $883 billion in revenues.”
Back to healthcare and its increasing politicalization. It seems that the Marxist Left has no or fewer representatives within the alternative or naturopathic health care movement. In fact, some of the Leftist media has ridiculed Infowars for financing their operation largely by selling alternative health care stuff.
I know of at least two media people who oppose the Marxist Left who have knowledge about problems in the conventional medical system and about prevention and healing by foods, supplements herbs, etc - Michael Savage, who has a Ph.D. from Berkeley in epidemiology and nutrition sciences, and Jon Rappoport, who, as an investigative reporter has focused for decades on problems in the conventional medical system. He is now 78 or 79 and does not look or act that old, so he must know something about staying healthy.
Here are some quotes by this old man:
"To make things worse, the political Left views modern medicine as unassailable science—they love all official science, no matter how deep the fraud goes............. The political Right views the medical cartel as “successful business,” and no one has a right to tamper with economic success. If a business is winning, it’s good and right and true.
All right. Let’s go to the numbers.
I’ll give you the horrific quotes now and discuss the source afterwards:
“…appropriately prescribed prescription drugs are the fourth leading cause of death…About 330,000 patients die each year from prescription drugs in the US and Europe.”
“They [the drugs] cause an epidemic of about [6.6 million per year] hospitalizations, as well as falls, road accidents, and about 80 million [per year] medically minor problems such as pains, discomforts, and dysfunctions that hobble productivity or the ability to care for others."
I know of at least two media people who oppose the Marxist Left who have knowledge about problems in the conventional medical system and about prevention and healing by foods, supplements herbs, etc - Michael Savage, who has a Ph.D. from Berkeley in epidemiology and nutrition sciences, and Jon Rappoport, who, as an investigative reporter has focused for decades on problems in the conventional medical system. He is now 78 or 79 and does not look or act that old, so he must know something about staying healthy.
Here are some quotes by this old man:
"To make things worse, the political Left views modern medicine as unassailable science—they love all official science, no matter how deep the fraud goes............. The political Right views the medical cartel as “successful business,” and no one has a right to tamper with economic success. If a business is winning, it’s good and right and true.
All right. Let’s go to the numbers.
I’ll give you the horrific quotes now and discuss the source afterwards:
“…appropriately prescribed prescription drugs are the fourth leading cause of death…About 330,000 patients die each year from prescription drugs in the US and Europe.”
“They [the drugs] cause an epidemic of about [6.6 million per year] hospitalizations, as well as falls, road accidents, and about 80 million [per year] medically minor problems such as pains, discomforts, and dysfunctions that hobble productivity or the ability to care for others."
What is your point? Especially since the Head Cheeto wishes to accelerate drug approval.
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
here, lemme give that a quick run through the alternative truth translator:
Hooray for Trump! :roses:
Hooray for Trump! :roses:
Much better! :banana:
ok doser
lifeguard at the cement pond
in other news:
| Girl Guides of Canada has cancelled all trips to the United States until further notice because it fears problems at the border. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39261789 |
Mar-A-Dacha
Mar-A-Dacha
What's it for?
What's it for?
He is somewhere tweeting
in the dark repeating,
"I know more,"
"I know more." :guitar: