beloved57
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Amen, even that aspect of it is sacred !
The Eternal Purpose of creation !
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Amen, even that aspect of it is sacred !
beloved57
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To live through Him !
To live through Him !
We know that Man in the beginning was Created for a Redemptive Purpose through Christ, which necessitated mans sin in the world, because, it was God's First and Primary design that man live through Christ unto His Glory 1 Jn 4:9
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
Or other words so that we might live because of Him, or on account of Him, the word through being the prep dia meaning:
through, on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of.
The Life that God first designed according to His Eternal Redemptive Purpose in Christ, was much more abundant than that first given in Adam Jn 10:10
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
But yet ignorant and unlearned men believe that this Purpose of Abundant Life through Christ was God's backup plan to man first having life through Adam !
The fact is, the Living through Christ 1 Jn 4:9, the abundant life Jn 10:10 it was not possible through Adam even before the fall of man, no it was a Life given them in Christ before the world began.
Also it was God's Purpose that man live through Christ in response to Redemptive Love 1 Jn 4:9-10
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
And again this Life was not at all possible in Adam before the Fall into sin, and all True Christian service to God should be in response to Redemptive Love in Christ, as Paul writes as being true of himself, its true of all true believers 2 Cor 5:14-15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
It was God's Purpose even for man in Adam to Live not unto themselves, but unto Him that died for them and rose again, that was never secondary in God's Purpose, to believe so is blasphemy !
To live through Him !
We know that Man in the beginning was Created for a Redemptive Purpose through Christ, which necessitated mans sin in the world, because, it was God's First and Primary design that man live through Christ unto His Glory 1 Jn 4:9
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
Or other words so that we might live because of Him, or on account of Him, the word through being the prep dia meaning:
through, on account of, by reason of, for the sake of, because of.
The Life that God first designed according to His Eternal Redemptive Purpose in Christ, was much more abundant than that first given in Adam Jn 10:10
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
But yet ignorant and unlearned men believe that this Purpose of Abundant Life through Christ was God's backup plan to man first having life through Adam !
The fact is, the Living through Christ 1 Jn 4:9, the abundant life Jn 10:10 it was not possible through Adam even before the fall of man, no it was a Life given them in Christ before the world began.
Also it was God's Purpose that man live through Christ in response to Redemptive Love 1 Jn 4:9-10
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
And again this Life was not at all possible in Adam before the Fall into sin, and all True Christian service to God should be in response to Redemptive Love in Christ, as Paul writes as being true of himself, its true of all true believers 2 Cor 5:14-15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
It was God's Purpose even for man in Adam to Live not unto themselves, but unto Him that died for them and rose again, that was never secondary in God's Purpose, to believe so is blasphemy !
beloved57
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It was God's purpose in Christ that Adam sinned !
It was God's purpose in Christ that Adam sinned !
Its absolutely amazing how any True Born Again Believer with a knowledge of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13, will not believe that it was God's will of purpose that Adam should sin in the garden when and how he did, according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Such unbelief manifests an ignorance to the purpose for which this world/earth was Created, an Eternal Purpose in Jesus Christ Eph 3:9-11
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: See Jn 1:3 in this connection !
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
In fact, the very name of Jesus denotes Salvation its greek word Iésous:
Iēsoús – Jesus, the transliteration of the Hebrew term, 3091 /Lṓt ("Yehoshua"/Jehoshua, contracted to "Joshua") which means "Yahweh saves" (or "Yahweh is salvation").
Understand something, when the world / earth was Created, even before Adam existed upon it, God had already appointed Christ as the Redeemer by His Blood, this we know for sure by 1 Pet 1:18-20
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Yes, for God's foreknown and Elect People 1 Pet 1:1-2 to be redeemed by the precious blood of the Lamb, it was established before the foundation of the world, so it would be idiotic of God to Create Adam and Desire that he would not sin !
Also Rev 13:8 testifies to Christ in the Eternal Purpose of God being slain for the Redemptive Purpose before the foundation !
Now with that in mind, why would so called believers reason that after God created Adam, it would have been God's first preference/choice that Adam would not Transgress, that God would have rather Adam not sin; Now would Adam not sinning brought God more Honor and Glory than Christ does because of mans sin ?
It was God's purpose in Christ that Adam sinned !
Its absolutely amazing how any True Born Again Believer with a knowledge of the Truth 2 Thess 2:13, will not believe that it was God's will of purpose that Adam should sin in the garden when and how he did, according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
Such unbelief manifests an ignorance to the purpose for which this world/earth was Created, an Eternal Purpose in Jesus Christ Eph 3:9-11
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: See Jn 1:3 in this connection !
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
In fact, the very name of Jesus denotes Salvation its greek word Iésous:
Iēsoús – Jesus, the transliteration of the Hebrew term, 3091 /Lṓt ("Yehoshua"/Jehoshua, contracted to "Joshua") which means "Yahweh saves" (or "Yahweh is salvation").
Understand something, when the world / earth was Created, even before Adam existed upon it, God had already appointed Christ as the Redeemer by His Blood, this we know for sure by 1 Pet 1:18-20
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
Yes, for God's foreknown and Elect People 1 Pet 1:1-2 to be redeemed by the precious blood of the Lamb, it was established before the foundation of the world, so it would be idiotic of God to Create Adam and Desire that he would not sin !
Also Rev 13:8 testifies to Christ in the Eternal Purpose of God being slain for the Redemptive Purpose before the foundation !
Now with that in mind, why would so called believers reason that after God created Adam, it would have been God's first preference/choice that Adam would not Transgress, that God would have rather Adam not sin; Now would Adam not sinning brought God more Honor and Glory than Christ does because of mans sin ?
beloved57
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It was God's purpose in Christ that Adam sinned !2
It was God's purpose in Christ that Adam sinned !2
Now with that in mind, why would so called believers reason that after God created Adam, it would have been God's first preference/choice that Adam would not Transgress, that God would have rather Adam not sin; Now would Adam not sinning brought God more Honor and Glory than Christ does because of mans sin ?
If any man answers yes to this question its nothing but the manifestation of an heart of unbelief, there is honestly no other way of putting it, there is no Faith in Christ if we indeed believe that. The Truth is that even before Adam was Created, God had already purposed the Salvation and Redemption from sin, given His People Grace in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Now listen, why would God rather not Adam sin by and through temptation by the Serpent, the Devil ? Would not that only be according to His Counsel ?
It was God's purpose in Christ that Adam sinned !2
Now with that in mind, why would so called believers reason that after God created Adam, it would have been God's first preference/choice that Adam would not Transgress, that God would have rather Adam not sin; Now would Adam not sinning brought God more Honor and Glory than Christ does because of mans sin ?
If any man answers yes to this question its nothing but the manifestation of an heart of unbelief, there is honestly no other way of putting it, there is no Faith in Christ if we indeed believe that. The Truth is that even before Adam was Created, God had already purposed the Salvation and Redemption from sin, given His People Grace in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Now listen, why would God rather not Adam sin by and through temptation by the Serpent, the Devil ? Would not that only be according to His Counsel ?
beloved57
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It was God's purpose in Christ that Adam sinned !3
It was God's purpose in Christ that Adam sinned !3
If God had not already given His People Grace in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Eph 3:11
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Then there would have been no Eternal Foundation for the Gospel, for look what follows 2 Tim 1:9 @ Vs 10
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
In other words, the Truths of Vs 9 are connected to the Preaching of the Gospel in Vs 10, which God hath ordained before for our[Believers] Glory 1 Cor 2:7
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
And what is the Wisdom of God here ? Its Christ as stated earlier in the epistle 1 Cor 1:24
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
And also to Preach Christ is to Preach a Mystery Col 4:3
Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ
And so Christ is the Wisdom of God in 1 Cor 2:7 ! And that why we have a verse such as 2 Tim 1:9, which reveals a Mystery about Christ, and Grace given believers in Him before the world began, and there is no Preaching Christ rightly without elucidating the Mystery of the Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus ! And of course this confirms that it was God's Purpose in Christ that Adam sinned !
It was God's purpose in Christ that Adam sinned !3
If God had not already given His People Grace in Christ Jesus before the world began 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Eph 3:11
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Then there would have been no Eternal Foundation for the Gospel, for look what follows 2 Tim 1:9 @ Vs 10
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
In other words, the Truths of Vs 9 are connected to the Preaching of the Gospel in Vs 10, which God hath ordained before for our[Believers] Glory 1 Cor 2:7
7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
And what is the Wisdom of God here ? Its Christ as stated earlier in the epistle 1 Cor 1:24
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
And also to Preach Christ is to Preach a Mystery Col 4:3
Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ
And so Christ is the Wisdom of God in 1 Cor 2:7 ! And that why we have a verse such as 2 Tim 1:9, which reveals a Mystery about Christ, and Grace given believers in Him before the world began, and there is no Preaching Christ rightly without elucidating the Mystery of the Eternal Purpose in Christ Jesus ! And of course this confirms that it was God's Purpose in Christ that Adam sinned !
Nanja
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Yes, it undoubtedly does, as you have clearly illustrated by comparing the scriptures in all 3 parts! 1 Cor. 2:13.
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beloved57
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I Thank God you are here to receive the testimony of the Gospel !
Nanja
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And I also am thankful to God that you are here to preach that Gospel testimony to His Glory !
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beloved57
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That is a Great Blessing !
Nanja
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beloved57
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World Created for a Redemptive Purpose in Christ !
World Created for a Redemptive Purpose in Christ !
We believe this World/Earth to be created or made for a specific Redemptive Purpose, Salvation in Christ, because of the creation of Angels. Who wants to deny that its revealed they were Created for Christ when we consider scriptures Col 1:16
16 For by him[Christ the Mediator] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by[Christ] him, and for him[Christ the Mediator]:
Note: Christ's existed as Mediator of Man prior to the Creation of Adam Prov 8:22-32
Then we find the stated purpose of the Angels Heb 1:13-14
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
This world was Created for the Heirs of Salvation, the Church 1 Cor 3:21-23
21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's;
22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's;
23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
In fact this could be the main rteason that lead to the revolt of Lucifer, being envious of Man's destiny, and a Honor to man he was subservient to !
Scriptures on eny Prov 14:30
A sound heart is the life of the flesh: but envy the rottenness of the bones.
Prov 27:4
Wrath is cruel, and anger is outrageous; but who is able to stand before envy?
Matt 27:18
For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.
Acts 7:9
And the patriarchs, moved with envy, sold Joseph into Egypt: but God was with him,
Again, I believe that lucifers revolt had something to do with envy, being envy of the High Honor God had destined Man unto, of which his kind would be subservient to ! All this however serves to prove that this world was created for a Redemptive Purpose in Christ !
World Created for a Redemptive Purpose in Christ !
We believe this World/Earth to be created or made for a specific Redemptive Purpose, Salvation in Christ, because of the creation of Angels. Who wants to deny that its revealed they were Created for Christ when we consider scriptures Col 1:16
16 For by him[Christ the Mediator] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by[Christ] him, and for him[Christ the Mediator]:
Note: Christ's existed as Mediator of Man prior to the Creation of Adam Prov 8:22-32
Then we find the stated purpose of the Angels Heb 1:13-14
13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?
This world was Created for the Heirs of Salvation, the Church 1 Cor 3:21-23
21 Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are your's;
22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's;
23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.
In fact this could be the main rteason that lead to the revolt of Lucifer, being envious of Man's destiny, and a Honor to man he was subservient to !
Scriptures on eny Prov 14:30
A sound heart is the life of the flesh: but envy the rottenness of the bones.
Prov 27:4
Wrath is cruel, and anger is outrageous; but who is able to stand before envy?
Matt 27:18
For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.
Acts 7:9
And the patriarchs, moved with envy, sold Joseph into Egypt: but God was with him,
Again, I believe that lucifers revolt had something to do with envy, being envy of the High Honor God had destined Man unto, of which his kind would be subservient to ! All this however serves to prove that this world was created for a Redemptive Purpose in Christ !
Nanja
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Very good point!
I agree with your thoughts on this, and Scriptures support its feasibility.
Absolutely it was, and perfectly orchestrated by God to fulfill
His Purpose in Christ and His Church; His Everlasting Kingdom.
Dan 7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,
shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom,
and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
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beloved57
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Amen !
beloved57
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Christ the Wisdom of God !
Christ the Wisdom of God !
We know this world was made for a redemptive purpose in Christ, who is the Wisdom of God 1 Cor 1:24
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
The Psalms helps us understand this Ps 104:24
24 O Lord, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom[Christ]
hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.
Ps 136:5
5 To him that by wisdom[Christ] made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever.
Prov 3:19
19 The Lord by wisdom[Christ] hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.
By Him, the Wisdom of God was all things made Jn 1:3
3 All things were made by him[Christ]; and without him was not any thing made that was made
So to detach the Creation of the World from a Redemptive Purpose in Christ, who is the Wisdom of God, and a Gospel Truth 1 Cor 1:24,30 is ignorance to God's Eternal Purpose for this World Eph 3:8-11
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Christ the Wisdom of God !
We know this world was made for a redemptive purpose in Christ, who is the Wisdom of God 1 Cor 1:24
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
The Psalms helps us understand this Ps 104:24
24 O Lord, how manifold are thy works! in wisdom[Christ]
hast thou made them all: the earth is full of thy riches.
Ps 136:5
5 To him that by wisdom[Christ] made the heavens: for his mercy endureth for ever.
Prov 3:19
19 The Lord by wisdom[Christ] hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.
By Him, the Wisdom of God was all things made Jn 1:3
3 All things were made by him[Christ]; and without him was not any thing made that was made
So to detach the Creation of the World from a Redemptive Purpose in Christ, who is the Wisdom of God, and a Gospel Truth 1 Cor 1:24,30 is ignorance to God's Eternal Purpose for this World Eph 3:8-11
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
beloved57
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We know this world was created for a Redemptive Purpose in Christ that should culminate in the Marriage of the Lamb to His Wife Rev 19:7-9
Revelation 19:7-9King James Version (KJV)
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Thats why at Creation the First Marriage took place with Adam and Eve Gen 2:18-25
And in Vs 24 He goes back to the beginning prior to the Fall, and Paul refers back to that point in connection with His summary of the Redemptive Death of Christ and the Church, so it pictured Christ and the Church, a Mystery Eph 5:25-32
The Creation of the World was founded upon that Great Mystery Eph 3:9-11 !
It was the Eternal Purpose of God that there would be a Marriage between His Son the Lamb slain from the foundation, and those He would redeem by His Blood ! Rev 19:7-9
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Revelation 19:7-9King James Version (KJV)
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
Thats why at Creation the First Marriage took place with Adam and Eve Gen 2:18-25
And in Vs 24 He goes back to the beginning prior to the Fall, and Paul refers back to that point in connection with His summary of the Redemptive Death of Christ and the Church, so it pictured Christ and the Church, a Mystery Eph 5:25-32
The Creation of the World was founded upon that Great Mystery Eph 3:9-11 !
It was the Eternal Purpose of God that there would be a Marriage between His Son the Lamb slain from the foundation, and those He would redeem by His Blood ! Rev 19:7-9
7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready.
8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
real simple. it really doesn't take several pages of posts and scripture. it can, if that's what helps you understand. at the risk of over simplification, RETURN TO GOD. from whence we came. when OUR Will is the same as God's Will, it is finished. forever. sounds easy huh ?
beloved57
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But for this cause came I unto this hour !
But for this cause came I unto this hour !
Jn 12:27
Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
This scripture indicates that this World was Created for a Redemptive Purpose in Christ, centered in His Cross, the Work the Father gave Him to do, to finish before the foundation of the World Jn 17:4
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. Note: When did the Father give Him this Work to do ?
1 Peter gives us to know this 1 Pet 1:18-20
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
This Blood redemption by the Lamb was foreordained before the foundation of the World, So its feasible He knew of it before the foundation of the World.
Now if that be the case, why does so many deny that this world was Created for a Redemptive Purpose in Christ ?
But for this cause came I unto this hour !
Jn 12:27
Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.
This scripture indicates that this World was Created for a Redemptive Purpose in Christ, centered in His Cross, the Work the Father gave Him to do, to finish before the foundation of the World Jn 17:4
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. Note: When did the Father give Him this Work to do ?
1 Peter gives us to know this 1 Pet 1:18-20
18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
This Blood redemption by the Lamb was foreordained before the foundation of the World, So its feasible He knew of it before the foundation of the World.
Now if that be the case, why does so many deny that this world was Created for a Redemptive Purpose in Christ ?
1Mind1Spirit
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It depends on what you think redeemed means.
This age was created to make sons of God.
beloved57
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You evaded my points !