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God does not save unbelievers.
There is not one scripture anywhere that says God saves unbelievers.
The Conditions for Receiving the Holy Spirit
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God does not save unbelievers.
There is not one scripture anywhere that says God saves unbelievers.
beloved57
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You don't know My Jesus Christ and God, My Jesus reconciled me to God while I was a enemy and unbeliever Rom 5:10 and I was made righteous vs 19 that is Grace!
In a light bulb, electricity must be in place in order for light to occur. But, it is not true that light must in place for electricity to occur. The light is dependent on the electricity, not the electricity on the light. Therefore, the electricity is logically first. That is, it must be necessarily present in order for the resultant light to appear. However, the electricity is not temporally first because when the electricity is present, light is the necessary and simultaneous result. When two things are simultaneous, one does not have temporal priority over another. So, when the electricity is present, there is not a duration of time before light occurs. It occurs simultaneously with the presence of the electricity. This is the same with regeneration and faith. Regeneration must precede faith not in a temporal sense, but in a necessary sense. In must be in place in order for believing to occur, but it occurs simultaneously with regeneration. So, logically, regeneration is first. Temporally they are simultaneous.
Found at http://calvinistcorner.com/regeneration-precedes-faith.htm
The Bible does not teach that people are zapped with the Holy Spirit.
"So then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God" Romans 10:17. (which is the Gospel)
"This only would I learn of you. Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith?" Galatians 3:2. (which is the Gospel)
Only those who hear and believe the Gospel receive the Holy Spirit.
Are you going to believe God's word or are you going to listen to a heretic?
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That scripture does not say unbelievers.
You do a sin such as that to defend your false beliefs.
beloved57
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You don't believe the scriptures!
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Your analogy is not from God.
Faith is from God, from reading His powerful message, the Bible, the New Testament. It has the powerful message that saves. We do not get faith supernaturally, as many teach, but we get faith in a very human way, from reading the supernatural message!
Where does our faith come from? Our faith comes from HEARING the word, see Romans 10:17. From hearing the word and being TAUGHT, Colossians 1:5, 7. From continuing in what we have been CONVINCED of, see 2 Timothy 3:14, and being PERSUADED, 2 Corinthians 5:11.
In Acts 26:17 Jesus tells Paul he is sending him to the Jews and Gentiles to OPEN THEIR EYES and turn them from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God. How do you think Paul is going to open the eyes of the Jews and the Gentiles? Remember, faith comes from hearing the word, and Jesus sent Paul to preach the gospel. 1 Corinthians 1:18 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel–not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.
Paul is going to open their eyes by preaching to them.
Read what Paul says in Romans 16:25-27. Now to him who is able to ESTABLISH YOU BY MY GOSPEL AND THE PROCLAMATION OF JESUS CHRIST, according to the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past, but now revealed and MADE KNOWN THROUGH THE PROPHETIC WRITINGS by the command of the eternal God, SO THAT ALL NATIONS MIGHT BELIEVE AND OBEY HIM–to the only wise God be glory forever through Jesus Christ! Amen.
Paul says that God made the prophetic writings known so that all nations might believe and obey. So again, the word of God tells us that faith comes from hearing. Here are more scriptures that explain how we have to HEAR the message that saves: Acts 8:31: 10:14; 11:14; 16:31; John 9:36; Ephesians 1:13; 4:21; Titus 1:3; Colossians 1:5; 1:23.
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God does NOT save unbelievers.
There is no scripture anywhere in the Bible that says God saves unbelievers.
Don't you want to only believe what God says?
Do you want the truth of some man, or do you want God's Truth?
There is no scripture anywhere in the Bible that says God saves unbelievers.
Don't you want to only believe what God says?
Do you want the truth of some man, or do you want God's Truth?
Good post Pate
You're a "Crazed hyper-Calvinist fanatic." Your "belief system" is
tainted with false doctrine.
Did God save any sinful man:
-cannot understand spiritual things (1 Cor. 2:14).
-is full of evil (Mark 7:21-23).
-does not seek for God (Rom. 3:11).
-is lawless, rebellious, unholy, and profane (1 Tim. 1:9).
????
No conditions. Come as you are (Jn 3:16).
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law (Ga 5:19–23).
Yes, believe. Tell your household and they will be saved, too (Ac 16:31).
That’s right. If you are his, it will show by good works. If you remain of the devil, those evil works will eventually be known, as well.
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law (Ga 5:19–23).
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Of course, God saves sinful men, but they must believe and obey Him to be saved.
That scripture is about the man who does not want to be saved, for it does not take understanding to obey. We get understanding AFTER we believe and obey.
I have many scriptures proving we do not have to understand to obey.
That scripture just tells us that sin starts from thoughts that you foster in your heart.
Paul was just quoting the old testament when God came no one searched for Him. Paul is just explaining that the Jews were God's children but sinned like disobedient Gentiles.
People did search for God. I have scriptures that prove it.
That scripture is about good people obeying without a written law.
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You never sought God, you merely believed the first doctrines you were taught.
The Holy Spirit is in the world calling all to come to Christ.
Those that hear the Gospel and believe are saved.
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God calls all people, but you still have to search for Him; even Solomon son of king David had to search for God.
That is not enough, for you have to have a heart in which Jesus wants to save; and Jesus says it is the heart that fears God and does right that he saves.
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You never sought God.
HOGWASH!
Some of those people that were saved on the day of Pentecost had participated in the crucifixion of Christ, Acts 2:23 and Acts 2:36.