beloved57
Well-known member
Everything you have written, just read your posts !
The Atonement: What did it REALLY Accomplish?
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Everything you have written, just read your posts !
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Perfection of Being ever present
Perfection of Being ever present
My posts stand as written, yes,...and they do not anywhere in regards to 'atonement' deny or preclude the existence of 'God', since 'God' is an ever-present reality and Love that is ever-available, as long as one can respond or turn to that reality.
pj
Perfection of Being ever present
My posts stand as written, yes,...and they do not anywhere in regards to 'atonement' deny or preclude the existence of 'God', since 'God' is an ever-present reality and Love that is ever-available, as long as one can respond or turn to that reality.
pj
beloved57
Well-known member
Every one of your posts in my opinion is worthless in the things of God !
freelight
Eclectic Theosophist
Only the 'courageous' enter in......
Only the 'courageous' enter in......
Perhaps such is a misconception of misunderstanding the knowledge and insights communicated, since you appear to be rather limited in your over-all comprehension of a philosophical domain stretching out further than your own preconceptions or 'images' of 'God',....let alone what reality is.
To be intellectually honest, you must accept the possibility that your current beliefs, opinions and points of view may be erroneous or less than perfect, and be willing to remain open and inquisitive to learn, explore and discover what is real, probing deeper into the nature of truth (whether that includes a 'god-concept' of not).
Readers are free to draw their own conclusions upon the data of these exchanges seeking the truth themselves, and rightly so. The concept of 'atonement' has been researched, some concepts of such being found erroneous or unnecessary. That's just how it goes. Opinions, points of view are noted.
The value or meaning of something can only be discovered when one sincerely considers it, with whole heart and mind.
pj
Only the 'courageous' enter in......
Perhaps such is a misconception of misunderstanding the knowledge and insights communicated, since you appear to be rather limited in your over-all comprehension of a philosophical domain stretching out further than your own preconceptions or 'images' of 'God',....let alone what reality is.
To be intellectually honest, you must accept the possibility that your current beliefs, opinions and points of view may be erroneous or less than perfect, and be willing to remain open and inquisitive to learn, explore and discover what is real, probing deeper into the nature of truth (whether that includes a 'god-concept' of not).
Readers are free to draw their own conclusions upon the data of these exchanges seeking the truth themselves, and rightly so. The concept of 'atonement' has been researched, some concepts of such being found erroneous or unnecessary. That's just how it goes. Opinions, points of view are noted.
The value or meaning of something can only be discovered when one sincerely considers it, with whole heart and mind.
pj
beloved57
Well-known member
This one joins the rest !
beloved57
Well-known member
Quickened sinners !
Quickened sinners !
In the Acts 2:38 account we have established that we have quickened sinners, and as such, as New Born Babes their crying out for instruction indicates their desire for the milk of the word and its doctrines. Again remember how these new born/quickened sinners desired to be spiritually instructed Acts 2:37-38
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
This was a sign of New and Spiritual Life, and then following the instruction by water baptism, now such is milk for the babes as we learn from Heb 5:12-6:2
Now here in this sequence its noticed that the teaching of baptisms Heb 6:2 is linked to the milk of the word from Heb 5:12-14
Now this is telling us that the doctrine and instruction of baptism is only for babes in Christ, those newly born again and in need of the milk of the word 1 Pet 2:2
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
Remember Peter had said earlier that these newborn babes had been born again 1 Pet 1:3,23 and had the Gospel preached to them 1 Pet 1:25 !
This Truth of course condemns all false teachings that water baptism is required as a condition to Salvation, that one must be water baptized to get saved, it also shows that Spiritual Life is Necessary in order to believe the Gospel !
Quickened sinners !
In the Acts 2:38 account we have established that we have quickened sinners, and as such, as New Born Babes their crying out for instruction indicates their desire for the milk of the word and its doctrines. Again remember how these new born/quickened sinners desired to be spiritually instructed Acts 2:37-38
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
This was a sign of New and Spiritual Life, and then following the instruction by water baptism, now such is milk for the babes as we learn from Heb 5:12-6:2
Now here in this sequence its noticed that the teaching of baptisms Heb 6:2 is linked to the milk of the word from Heb 5:12-14
Now this is telling us that the doctrine and instruction of baptism is only for babes in Christ, those newly born again and in need of the milk of the word 1 Pet 2:2
2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
Remember Peter had said earlier that these newborn babes had been born again 1 Pet 1:3,23 and had the Gospel preached to them 1 Pet 1:25 !
This Truth of course condemns all false teachings that water baptism is required as a condition to Salvation, that one must be water baptized to get saved, it also shows that Spiritual Life is Necessary in order to believe the Gospel !
Nanja
Well-known member
Yes, I See and concur with everything posted in Parts 1 thru 3!
Christ shall quicken, make spiritually alive, all those He died for as their Head
because they are His Body, One with Him Eph. 1:4. He was raised again to life
and so they shall also be given New Life, Spiritual renewal Titus 3:5;
Born Again, or Born from Above John 3:3. And the evidence is the indwelling
of the Spirit of Christ in them because they are Sons.
Gal 4:6-7 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth
the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son;
and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
Rom. 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God
is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Rom. 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear;
but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
Eph. 1:13 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ
1 John 3:2-3 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear
what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him;
for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him
purifieth himself, even as he is pure,
~~~~~
vanityofvanitys
New member
So are you preaching we have no part in our salvation because our fate was predetermined?
If so, that is quite harmful, imo.
Being saved is not the same as being allowed into the kingdom the moment one dies because nothing we did mattered to God. It means more than faith itself.
beloved57
Well-known member
You have understood well !
beloved57
Well-known member
Did you understand that post you quoted ? Please explain back the points I made to me, Thanks !
vanityofvanitys
New member
I understood it well enough to ask a question and pose another if my assumption was correct.
Since I must be in error, why not you explain back the points you made in simpler terms?
beloved57
Well-known member
You have not proved it to me, so are you going to do as I asked you or not ?
vanityofvanitys
New member
What are you afraid of? Discourse?
I already told you in my first post what I thought it was your were trying to say --- i.e. your main points.
The best I could understand, I thought you were saying our salvation was predetermined before we were born. I thought you said some were marked by God to be atoned and others not.
So I asked was that it? And you play the high-minded cannot-be-bothered with the ignorant position.
Then I told you that even if we are atoned or saved by the blood of Christ or by God's grace, that does not necessarily mean we still do not have to make amends for our wickedness after having accepted Christ as our Savior. And once again, you demurred.
beloved57
Well-known member
What are you afraid of ?
vanityofvanitys
New member
Well let others be the judge.
IMO, you are afraid to address any points I raised because you really cannot defend your positions, or you simply do not know what you are talking about. -- yawn --
Nanja
Well-known member
beloved57
Well-known member
In my opinion you have evaded my points in my post !
vanityofvanitys
New member
WHAT points!!??
Three times I tried to interpret what your top post meant and I asked you questions about it. And three times you have said nothing except to tell me to go back and explain to you what I thought your top post meant.
Just how clever do you think you are?
You're just a coward.
beloved57
Well-known member
What points ? You have really lost it now ! The points made in my posts ! The points that you evade !