Shooting at SC Church During Bible Study - Suspect still at large

rainee

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What's the matter?

That's what your Confederate Flag symbolizes.
Tet how old are you?.

That is NOT what a flag represents.
That is what you spent time looking for and looking at to make and justify being angry - don't you know if you were born back then in that place YOU are the very type to do terrible things ?

You are the kind that breaks and goes and shoots 9 innocent people
For something not real
 

rainee

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Lord help you Tet
Climb down from that ride
And take a breath.

The anger of man does not accomplish the righteousness of God.
The evil one roams around looking for those he can devour don't forget how he operates.
I love you Tet
 

Granite

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By what basis can rainee actually expect anything to come from reporting these posts? It happened. It's history. It's fact. This is part of the great southern "heritage" we keep hearing about, right? Well guess what, rebs: You don't get to pick and choose what parts of your "heritage" are remembered and forgotten.
 

tetelestai

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Tet how old are you?.

51

That is NOT what a flag represents.

The Confederate Flag represents nothing good. It represents, treason, slavery, and racism.

That is what you spent time looking for and looking at to make and justify being angry

I'm not angry. All I have said is that the Confederate Flag should not be allowed on government property. People are free to fly one on their property, just like people are free to fly a Nazi flag or any other flag on their own property.

- don't you know if you were born back then in that place YOU are the very type to do terrible things ?

That doesn't make any sense.

You are the kind that breaks and goes and shoots 9 innocent people
For something not real

No, I'm a follower of Christ Jesus. Murder and/or Racism are are not things I'm attracted to.
 

Truster

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*edit* Suspect has been Captured in North Carolina *edit*

Last night During a Bible study a young man killed 9 people. His picture is below.


"The vehicle he may be driving is a black Hyundai with vehicle tag LGF330. Anyone with information about his location call 1-800-CALL-FBI," the city said in a statement.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks extremist groups, tweeted a photograph of the suspect sporting a jacket with what appears to be the flag for "white-rule Rhodesia, now Zimbabwe."



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It happened at the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church in South Carolina, one of the oldest Historically Black Churches in the area. Sounds like the suspect may be a kind of white supremacist.

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So as not to focus completely on the shooter . . . here are the victims.


Rev. Clementa Pinckney, 41: A state senator and the senior pastor of Emanuel, he was married to Jennifer Benjamin and the father of two children, Eliana and Malana. He was a 1995 graduate of Allen University and got his masters at the University of South Carolina in 1999. He served in the state Legislature starting in 2000; The Post and Courier says that today, black fabric was draped over Pinckney's Senate chamber seat.

Cynthia Hurd, 54: According to the Charleston County Public Library, she was a 31-year employee who managed the John L. Dart Library for 21 years before heading the St. Andrews Regional Library. A statement said Hurd "dedicated her life to serving and improving the lives of others." The system closed its 16 branches Thursday to honor Hurd and the others who died in the shooting. County officials also say the St. Andrews library will be named for Hurd.

Rev. Sharonda Coleman-Singleton, 45: A pastor at Emanuel, she was also a speech therapist and high school girls track and field coach, both positions at Goose Creek High School, according to her LinkedIn page. Her son, Chris Singleton, is a baseball player and student at Charleston Southern University. Coleman-Singleton also has two younger children, writes the Post and Courier.

Tywanza Sanders, 26: He was a 2014 graduate in Business Administration from Allen University in Columbia. Lady June Cole, the interim president of Allen University, described him as "a quiet, well-known student who was committed to his education." Known as Ty, he had worked in sales at department stores such as Belk and Macy's.

Ethel Lance, 70: She had attended Emanuel for most of her life and worked there as a custodian, as well. From 1968 to 2002, she worked as a custodian at Charleston's Gaillard Municipal Auditorium. The Post and Courier quotes a former colleague as saying, ""She was funny and a pleasure to be around. And she was a wonderful mother and grandmother."

Susie Jackson, 87: Lance's cousin, she was a longtime church member.

Depayne Middleton Doctor, 49: The mother of four sang in Emanuel's choir. She had previously directed a community development program in Charleston County. In December, she started a new job as an admissions coordinator at the Charleston campus of her alma mater, Southern Wesleyan University. SWU President Todd Voss said: "Always a warm and enthusiastic leader, DePayne truly believed in the mission of SWU to help students achieve their potential by connecting faith with learning. Our prayers go out to family and friends. This is a great loss for our students and the Charleston region."

Rev. Daniel Simmons, 74: Simmons survived the initial attack but then died in a hospital operating room. He had previously been a pastor at another church in the Charleston area.

Myra Thompson, 59: She was the wife of Rev. Anthony Thompson, the vicar of Holy Trinity Reformed Episcopal Church in Charleston.



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The Eternal Almighty uses the wicked to slay the wicked.
 

Rusha

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Meaning what, exactly?

I don't know what other meaning there could be outside of him implying the victims were wicked and deserved to die.

He really needs to clarify IF that is not what he meant.
 

Tambora

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I understand you guys use that word as shorthand for anything you disagree with but you're really beating it to death on this thread.

Nothing I said's untrue. At all.
Nothing I've said is untrue either.

Look folks, some people that have a Confederate flag are racist.
And some people that have a Confederate flag are not racist.
The same goes for people that don't have a Confederate flag - some are racist and some are not.

It ain't the fault of a flag.
 

rainee

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Ok, if you say you are 51 then I will take you at your word.
You showed pictures and didn't really think they were taken before theCivil War but thought you could combine the two things Since the South had slaves.
So you knew theses were supposed to be under the flag of the US.
At your age though you don't talk like you actually know anything about what you can imagine from pics.

So let me confess, I wasn't here for pre civil war years either but I have heard some history teachers say the antebellum part of our history has not always been taught correctly.
I know someones great grandfather in central Texas grew cotton and had a few black families living on his place as employees after the war was over. When the KKK went out riding over some offense he took his people out to the flats and stayed with them to hide them. He left his wife and children to sit quietly and wait for morning. One of his daughters told what it was like to hear the horses hooves go by the farm.

But let's talk about a few years ago, ok?
An electrical engineer was working at Texas Instruments and when on a
Certain project was working with among others a Jewish man who was also an EE. But this Jewish man was treated poorly, often looked at disdainfully, occasionally insulted and berated at every opportunity. Not by American EEs but by one EE from Afghanistan. There was also an EE who was a Chinese woman! Very smart, always treated like a second class citizen , made to do more work than others, carry more than her load - never by American EEs - but do you care since she took it like she thought it was normal?

Last and maybe least - one pic some time ago was photoshopped and put on the internet. I know you trust your source and would never imagine anyone doing an evil stunt with horrible pics.
But
all your pics can be replaced by horrible pictures that are very real and are much more recent in time - and can be verified. Should anyone want to see them either? I don't.
 

rainee

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The "I have a black friend" defense isn't how you determine if someone is racist. The shooter had black friends too.


Christon Scriven, a friend from a trailer park in Lexington, South Carolina, where Roof was a regular visitor, told the New York Daily News that the alleged gunman had outlined his horrific plans last week.

“He flat out told us he was going to do this stuff,” said Scriven, who is black. “He was looking to kill a bunch of people.”

Scriven said he and their other friends assumed he had been joking.



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I have abad feeling you don't get what you just said about that 20 year old shooter.
 

rexlunae

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'Often forced to withdraw from public life'.

That seems to me to be overstating things. Do you think that Roof's murders have caused some black people to withdraw from public life? Withdraw in what ways?

I could see that more if it was gang-related violence or something along those lines because there is a group behind it with a wider potential reach. Unless the fear is that people like Wolf will embolden others to act in the same way.

Well, that depends a lot on the response of society. If, for instance, society responds by protecting the attackers, then yes. If, on the other hand, the attacks are universally condemned, and the perpetrator(s) are rounded up, and severely punished, and the entire community stands with the victims and their families, then it can have the opposite effect. Hate crimes legislation is a part of that response. It's probably not going to come into play here because South Carolina doesn't have such laws, but it could if the federal government chose to prosecute instead.
 

Tambora

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You're right. It's not the fault of the flag.
I know.

It's the fault of the culture that the flag represents. It's time to stop honoring that culture.
The 'culture' of the south has many facets. Why do you get to determine which facets of that culture are represented when viewing a flag?
 
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