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[HisServant]

All you are doing is giving excuses why you just flat out refuse to actually address the events of Zechariah 14:2-4 in an intelligent matter.

Some things are beyond human comprehension... you should leave it at that.

But then again, you seem to be afflicted by the same blindness that caused the Jews to have their Messiah killed by the Romans.

News flash, almost all old testament and apocalyptic prophesies have been fulfilled in ways that were never expected.

The Jews expected Jesus to actually become King and sit on the actual throne of David when he appeared on the scene... just as you are expecting Jesus to once again actually stand on the Mount of Olives.

Can't you see the similarities between your blindness and theirs?... its plain as the nose on your face!

Jesus said his Kingdom is NOT OF THIS EARTH.... do you expect him to go back on his word?

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Jerry, I told you to be careful with Zechariah, because God makes it clear to Zechariah that if the Jews retuned to Him, He would return to them.



I get that you Dispies love Zech 14, it's probably your favorite chapter in the OT.

Zech 14 is very diffulcult. However, Zech 14:8 speaks of living water, and Jesus made it clear that living water was the Holy Spirit.

Therefore, that tells me that Zech 14 is not literal, since living water symbolizes the Holy Spirit.

(John 7:39) (When he said "living water," he was speaking of the Spirit, who would be given to everyone believing in him. But the Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus had not yet entered into his glory.)

(Zech 14:8) On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter.

So, as we see above, Zech 14:8 does not mean that literal rivers with literal "living water" will happen.

So, you can keep quoting verses from Zech 14, and keep pounding your chest and claiming they haven't happened yet, but I know they were fulfilled in Christ Jesus, and are NOT yet future events.

Since living waters means the spirit, what do the rest represent?


Zechariah 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Zechariah 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zechariah 14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

Zechariah 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

King Herod had many palaces in Judaea

Verse 45 describes Herod.



Notice Dan 12:1 starts out with "and at that time"

In Hebrew "uva'et" is translated "at that time". Every time this phrase is used in OT prophecies it refers to the time of the Messiah.

AD 70ism is a mess.
Verse 1 refers back to chapter 11.

 

[Tambora]

do this in rememb

do this in rememb

Just a few of the many instances that the law was a Memorial.

Passover Feast
Exodus 12 KJV
(14) And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the LORD throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever.


Unleavened Bread Feast
Exodus 13 KJV
(9) And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.
(8) And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the LORD did unto me when I came forth out of Egypt.
(9) And it shall be for a sign unto thee upon thine hand, and for a memorial between thine eyes, that the LORD'S law may be in thy mouth: for with a strong hand hath the LORD brought thee out of Egypt.


Feast of Trumpets
Leviticus 23 KJV
(24) Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.


Ashes from the Sacrifices
Numbers 16 KJV
(40) To be a memorial unto the children of Israel, that no stranger, which is not of the seed of Aaron, come near to offer incense before the LORD; that he be not as Korah, and as his company: as the LORD said to him by the hand of Moses.


High Priest duties in the Temple/Tabernacle
Exodus 28 KJV
(29) And Aaron shall bear the names of the children of Israel in the breastplate of judgment upon his heart, when he goeth in unto the holy place, for a memorial before the LORD continually.



Offerings for Atonement
Exodus 30:15-16 KJV
(15) The rich shall not give more, and the poor shall not give less than half a shekel, when they give an offering unto the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.
(16) And thou shalt take the atonement money of the children of Israel, and shalt appoint it for the service of the tabernacle of the congregation; that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the LORD, to make an atonement for your souls.


The Jealousy Offering
Numbers 5 KJV
(15) Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.


To Remember Sins
Hebrews 10 KJV
(3) But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
(4) For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.​

Having sacrifices in the future does not take away sins any more than they did in the past.
But they are a constant REMINDER of why a Savior is needed.

A lot of churches still do Communion in MEMORIAL of what Christ already accomplished.

1 Corinthians 11 KJV
(24) And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
(25) After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.​

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Some things are beyond human comprehension... you should leave it at that.

The reason why some cannot understand these things is because those people remain a natural man:

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Cor.2:14).​

The reason why you cannot understand these simple things is because your spiritual IQ is practically nonexistent!

 

[Jerry Shugart]

So, you can keep quoting verses from Zech 14, and keep pounding your chest and claiming they haven't happened yet, but I know they were fulfilled in Christ Jesus, and are NOT yet future events.

If the verses from Zechariah are not to be understood literally then they must have another meaning. What is that meaning?

 

[HisServant]

The reason why some cannot understand these things is because those people remain a natural man:

"But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Cor.2:14).​

The reason why you cannot understand these simple things is because your spiritual IQ is practically nonexistent!

Well... then so was everyone elses up till Darby preached what he did.

Do you think Jesus and the Apostles and every other christian up till Darby also had a non-existant Spriitual IQ? Hardly!

You are a new age fool Jerry... you need to wake up and shake off your chains.

 

[john w]

Quit following Darby, and you won't be so dizzy.

Stuff your "Darby" spam, clown, as that is all you have.

You follow the devil. My evidence? You.

 

[john w]

Sometimes those Darbyites go out on their trampolines and jump up and down. They call it "rapture practice".

I think it just makes them dizzy.

The record-107/150 "posts" of this satanist has a "Darby" spam.

 

[tetelestai]

Verse 1 refers back to chapter 11.

No it doesn't.

It's one of the reasons why the Bible translators began a new chapter.

Everything in verse 11 happened.

Like I said, there isn't a Jew alive today who would disagree.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

The record-107/150 "posts" of this satanist has a "Darby" spam.

A Darby compelsion. Wonder what causes that?

 

[tetelestai]

If the verses from Zechariah are not to be understood literally then they must have another meaning. What is that meaning?

Jesus clearly gave you the meaning of "Living Waters".

Do you not believe what Jesus said about Living Waters?

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

No it doesn't.

Sure it does.
Don't be a fool.

 

[john w]

Dispensationalism is a mess.

He has spammed that 18 times on this thread alone. Loser. Devlish clown.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Well... then so was everyone elses up till Darby preached what he did.

Prove that anyone before the preterists came along believed that the events described at Zechariah 14 happened in the first century.

 

[tetelestai]

Since living waters means the spirit, what do the rest represent?

Many people have many ideas of what they mean.

For example "mountain" is used symbolically in the OT to mean numerous things other than a literal mountain.

You guys don't want to hear about it because it's a problem for you Dispensationalism.

Jesus made it clear that Living Waters means the Holy Spirit.

Why would I think everything in Zech 14 is literal when Christ Jesus tells us Living Waters is not?

 

[john w]

Since living waters means the spirit, what do the rest represent?


Zechariah 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

Zechariah 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

Zechariah 14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.

Zechariah 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

Exactamundo,Mayor. The Preterist punk continually brings up his Zech. 14 "Ace in the Hole," we challenge him on the surrounding verses, and he "scurries like a cockroach when the light is shined upon" him.

 

[tetelestai]

Sure it does.
Don't be a fool.

You're the fool.

You think Dan 11 is yet future.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[john w]

If the verses from Zechariah are not to be understood literally then they must have another meaning. What is that meaning?

Yes, Craigie-unpack it for us.

 

[HisServant]

Prove that anyone before the preterists came along believed that the events described at Zechariah 14 happened in the first century.

No one cared about them or preached about them till Darby... this is not a preterist issue.

When someone has an irrational fascination with a group of non-christians and does not have faith that God will complete his promises as he intended them, you have to come up with some pretty bizarre theologies to fit God in the box you have constructed for him.