PETA wants lion hunter put to death

[aCultureWarrior]

ACW, PETA would have everyone who killed an animal put to death. Irrespective if the person was hunting for subsistence, or defending their life. I find this guy who shot this lion about a likeable as a boil on my genitals. I feel the same about all trophy hunter's. And I hunt. ( used to-hope to again ) .

Saved your crude language for your gay bathhouses roug.

Now a few words from lion hunters:

Both the lion and lioness can make for extremely exciting hunts. This member of the Big Five deserves your utmost respect. He is extremely nimble and fast, able to cover 100 yards in 3 to 4 seconds. Unpredictable as a house cat and extremely vindictive, he will finish what he starts and is well-equipped to make short work of a man. An ambush predator, if he is hurt and he knows what has hurt him, he will be intent on doing something about it!

Hunt 'Leo' with a minimum of .375 caliber, as is the lawful minimum in most African countries. One-shot kills with the .375 cannot always be guaranteed, so you may consider a larger caliber if you shoot it well. First shot placement is all important, as the follow-up on a wounded cat can be extremely exciting if not downright dangerous. A poorly shot lion will lie in wait and is capable of great speed in a charge. When he charges, he will target just one of the party of hunters and will be intent on doing deadly harm. It has been proposed by some that the correct rifle used for the follow-up on a wounded lion is not the same rifle you used for the initial shot. If available, use the largest caliber double rifle that you are comfortable with for this task. The lion in full charge can be an extremely difficult target and only a large caliber rifle can be counted upon to stop this big cat. Listen carefully to the instructions of your Professional Hunter and follow them to the letter. Take your time and proceed cautiously when on the trail of this largest of the African predators.
http://www.africanskyhunting.co.za/trophies/lion-hunting.html

 

[Arthur Brain]

The soul is gauged by it's perspective.

That's what you are forgetting- are animals as us, sentient and able to make empirical decisions?

The answer, quite simply, is no.
Therefore, human souls, unlike animals, require either salvation or damnation.

Well that was a complete non answer. Why would a loving God create animals to experience pain if their "soul" were simply obliterated anyway upon demise?

 

[Arthur Brain]

If the great white hunter knew anything about hunting he'd know that using things such as duck calls is a form of baiting.

Is that unethical?

Who's this 'great white hunter' you're blabbering on about?

 

[Arthur Brain]

Saved your crude language for your gay bathhouses roug.

Now a few word from lion hunters

Both the lion and lioness can make for extremely exciting hunts. This member of the Big Five deserves your utmost respect. He is extremely nimble and fast, able to cover 100 yards in 3 to 4 seconds. Unpredictable as a house cat and extremely vindictive, he will finish what he starts and is well-equipped to make short work of a man. An ambush predator, if he is hurt and he knows what has hurt him, he will be intent on doing something about it!

Hunt 'Leo' with a minimum of .375 caliber, as is the lawful minimum in most African countries. One-shot kills with the .375 cannot always be guaranteed, so you may consider a larger caliber if you shoot it well. First shot placement is all important, as the follow-up on a wounded cat can be extremely exciting if not downright dangerous. A poorly shot lion will lie in wait and is capable of great speed in a charge. When he charges, he will target just one of the party of hunters and will be intent on doing deadly harm. It has been proposed by some that the correct rifle used for the follow-up on a wounded lion is not the same rifle you used for the initial shot. If available, use the largest caliber double rifle that you are comfortable with for this task. The lion in full charge can be an extremely difficult target and only a large caliber rifle can be counted upon to stop this big cat. Listen carefully to the instructions of your Professional Hunter and follow them to the letter. Take your time and proceed cautiously when on the trail of this largest of the African predators.
http://www.africanskyhunting.co.za/trophies/lion-hunting.html

Well, you're certainly adept at 'hunting' for links aCW if nothing, and literally nothing else.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Who's this 'great white hunter' you're blabbering on about?

Read my posts Einstein.

Well, you're certainly adept at 'hunting' for links aCW if nothing, and literally nothing else.

A city boy whose only exposure to undomesticated animals obviously comes from his visit to the city zoo really shouldn't be partaking in thread such as this, it only makes you look more foolish than you already are.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Read my posts Einstein.

I have (unfortunately) and nobody qualifies for that description. Outside of your own lame attempts at derision of course.

A city boy whose only exposure to undomesticated animals obviously comes from his visit to the city zoo really shouldn't be partaking in thread such as this, it only makes you look more foolish than you already are.

Ooooooohhh, put those claws away Connie. You'll get a part in Desperate Housewives at this rate...

 

[Cons&Spires]

Well that was a complete non answer. Why would a loving God create animals to experience pain if their "soul" were simply obliterated anyway upon demise?

God is an ultimacy which surpasses common human notion. It's not always clear why God decides upon certain things as He wills. Don't be mistaken though, I am not issuing the convenient idea that God works in mysterious ways.
Rather, I'm proposing that you widen your eyes more_

 

[Arthur Brain]

God is an ultimacy which surpasses common human notion. It's not always clear why God decides upon certain things as He wills. Don't be mistaken though, I am not issuing the convenient idea that God works in mysterious ways.
Rather, I'm proposing that you widen your eyes more_

Thanks again for a complete non answer now couched in the fogginess of an overcast winter morning.

lain:

 

[Cons&Spires]

Thanks again for a complete non answer now couched in the fogginess of an overcast winter morning.

lain:

You're just incapable, or at the very least, acting incapable to understand what I'm saying.

Suffering is commensurate to one's sentience.. to be human and suffer is far worse than an animal.

 

[Arthur Brain]

You're just incapable, or at the very least, acting incapable to understand what I'm saying.

Suffering is commensurate to one's sentience.. to be human and suffer is far worse than an animal.

On what level? You were erroneously arguing that pigs are generally boiled alive earlier that clearly isn't general practice by any stretch but if it were so, why would a loving God create animals with the capacity to feel pain if they're only going to die and suffer before being obliterated anyway? You have completely failed to answer that.

 

[Cons&Spires]

On what level? You were erroneously arguing that pigs are generally boiled alive earlier that clearly isn't general practice by any stretch but if it were so, why would a loving God create animals with the capacity to feel pain if they're only going to die and suffer before being obliterated anyway? You have completely failed to answer that.

Humans experience the entire spectrum of emotions.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Humans experience the entire spectrum of emotions.

That still doesn't address my point in any way shape or form. Kinda getting to be a habit with you.

 

[serpentdove]

...And if ISIS made a video beheading a lion, would that anger anyone?

#DontRegulateMurder

 

[Town Heretic]

If the great white hunter knew anything about hunting

I think you're whistling through your hat. Let's begin. What's the longest shot you've ever taken in the deep woods and how long have you been in tracking, at the longest point? A good point to begin a conversation about hunting.

he'd know that using things such as duck calls is a form of baiting.

So is fishing. Do you think most duck hunters are just in it for the thrill of the kill? lain: And unlike the obvious answer there, a duck hunter can and does assist with population control.

Is that unethical?

Inherently? Of course not. Now if you go out and shoot birds like skeet and just for the fun of it, the answer changes.

 

[Nick M]

My decision to become vegetarian had sod all to do with them.

Right. You did it because the Lord God said you are to eat all animals, just cook them first.

 

[chrysostom]

how did the lion become the
king of the beasts?
and
what is the theology here?
do you understand
the lion lays down with the lamb?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Quote:
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
If the great white hunter knew anything about hunting

I think you're whistling through your hat. Let's begin. What's the longest shot you've ever taken in the deep woods and how long have you been in tracking, at the longest point? A good point to begin a conversation about hunting.

Let's just say that I grew up in a hunting environment where things like venison, quail, duck, goose, chucker, pheasant, Hungarian partridge (hun) etc. were regularly on the dinner table.


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
he'd know that using things such as duck calls is a form of baiting.

So is fishing. Do you think most duck hunters are just in it for the thrill of the kill?

Like all hunters, duck hunters are in it for the sport/recreation. If a person only wants the meat, they can go to a their local wild game/exotic animal retail store (found in most cities) or purchase the meat via the www.

And unlike the obvious answer there, a duck hunter can and does assist with population control.

And who decides if population control is necessary? (drum roll...)

The local game dept.


Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Is that unethical?

Inherently? Of course not. Now if you go out and shoot birds like skeet and just for the fun of it, the answer changes.

The question was "Is it unethical to use bait to draw your desired animal in so that you can hunt them?" Obviously you don't think it is when it comes to duck hunting.

If you can come up with some type of evidence which shows what kind of baiting Dr. Palmer used while lion hunting, then we can find out if that was common practice amongst lion hunters or not.

 

[Town Heretic]

Let's just say that I grew up in a hunting environment where things like venison, quail, duck, goose, chucker, pheasant, Hungarian partridge (hun) etc. were regularly on the dinner table.

So you grew up around someone who understood it. Well that's just...special.

Like all hunters, duck hunters are in it for the sport/recreation. If a person only wants the meat, they can go to a their local wild game/exotic animal retail store (found in most cities) or purchase the meat via the www.

Stop trying to move the goalposts. I've been clear about the varied joys of the hunt from the jump here. What I've spoken against and consistently spoken against is those who kill singularly for the pleasure of it, men like this trophy hunting doofus.

And who decides if population control is necessary? (drum roll...)

The local game dept.

Same response. And I've been equally clear about the good of thinning an overpopulation or even protecting your animals from other animals. Again, my criticism is specific and you haven't begun to address it.

The question was "Is it unethical to use bait to draw your desired animal in so that you can hunt them?"

That's your question. I think I've been clear about what I think of people who bait animals that should be tracked. Can you tack a duck? It's different, just as fishing is different.

If you can come up with some type of evidence which shows what kind of baiting Dr. Palmer used while lion hunting, then we can find out if that was common practice amongst lion hunters or not.

Doesn't matter to me if it's common or not. Doesn't matter to me if most deer hunters bait (though they don't). Doesn't impact my point.

 

[Cons&Spires]

@serpentdove

You put something in my head that I will now never be able to shake off- the idea of ISIS using humanitarian methods to behead.

It's like Shariah entering first world clauses against cruel and unusual punishment.

 

[Arthur Brain]

Right. You did it because the Lord God said you are to eat all animals, just cook them first.

What are you jabbering on about Nicky? Nowhere in the bible is it commanded to eat all animals and by extension it isn't immoral not to eat meat. I believe it says that man has dominion over all animals which doesn't equate to the same thing.

Dingbat.