PETA wants lion hunter put to death

[Town Heretic]

The Rhino was killed because the game dept. allowed it.

I don't care who allowed it. Doesn't impact my point. Or are you suggesting there was an overpopulation of rhino in the area and this was an essential service?

Do you know better than a game dept. what animals should and shouldn't be hunted?

I know the difference between a hunter and what this fellow is, which remains the point and one I'm thinking you don't understand because you're neither.

Are you against all hunters that mount their kill on their den walls?

I haven't said anything against trophies. I only said I never kept one.

LOL...whatever you say ole great white hunter.

That's your defense mechanism because we both know you don't know what you're talking about. Why don't you go track a good coffee down.

 

[Cons&Spires]

It's not difficult to kill anything if you have the right equipment, training and patience, but why you kill and how you kill is important.


A lion who's baited into an area where you've set up a watch isn't much different from an elk unless you lack nerve, in terms of the killing at any rate. A lion who is driven into you isn't cunning at all, he's distracted. They do the same for deer. They're loud coming on. It's not much different from spooking quail except the quail can't eat you if you get it wrong.


A man goes after a lion alone, he's stupid but brave. What this fellow did wan't either.

I'll concede to your knowledge of bating, it is nothing I've done before. I go out with a rifle and a revolver, and christen my place of advantage with a beer

The thing with lions, however, is in there sense of blood over that of deer. That's why I propose that a big cat knows you are there before you know he's there- as opposed to deer, they are carnivorous animals.

 

[Arthur Brain]

You might want to ask your friend the great white hunter why he just didn't go to the store and buy a package of tofu instead of going out and murdering innocent animals (he didn't need the meat, he did it for the sport).

Or, and as it turns out, I might not as it has zero relevance as you display a penchant for so consistently...

 

[Town Heretic]

I'll concede to your knowledge of bating, it is nothing I've done before. I go out with a rifle and a revolver, and christen my place of advantage with a beer

I don't think much of baiting, but I know a lot of people use it. I'm not particularly in with people who don't deep woods hunt and track. Like I've said, otherwise it's just bleeding target shooting.

The thing with lions, however, is in there sense of blood over that of deer which is non-existent. That's why I propose that a big cat knows you are there before you know he's there.

Again, it's going to depend on how you're hunting. If he's being driven, he's not thinking of you. And if he's baited he might be wary, but then it's just about your patience and aim. A sad business in any event. I have a friend who hunted big game cats for a while. Got a rush out of it, but I think he fooled himself a little. There were always other guns. The cat wasn't going to reach him absent a miracle.

 

[Cons&Spires]

I don't think much of baiting, but I know a lot of people use it. I'm not particularly in with people who don't deep woods hunt and track. Like I've said, otherwise it's just bleeding target shooting.


Again, it's going to depend on how you're hunting. If he's being driven, he's not thinking of you. And if he's baited he might be wary, but then it's just about your patience and aim. A sad business in any event.

I see your point, never took that into account. Baiting is cheap. If that's what the man did than shame be on him definitely.

*shouldn't be put to death however
#PETA is stupid

 

[Town Heretic]

You might want to ask your friend the great white hunter

I think it must really bother you to know you're talking out of your league, the way you're going to that.

why he just didn't go to the store and buy a package of tofu instead of going out and murdering innocent animals (he didn't need the meat, he did it for the sport).

So you don't know what you're talking about no matter who you speak for...curious.

Necessary? It's necessary to eat. The rest is to taste. But to cause suffering simply for your enjoyment is sadistic and small. It's an extension of a narcissistic folly.

But I don't imagine any of that should concern you. Maybe you could mount a fish on your wall.

 

[Town Heretic]

I see your point, never took that into account. Baiting is cheap. If that's what the man did than shame be on him definitely.

*shouldn't be put to death however
#PETA is stupid

No, he shouldn't. But what he is, I'm fine with that being known and if he broke the laws over there he should be accountable for it. PETA? Another extremist organization that mixes the good with the absurd, unfortunately.

 

[Cons&Spires]

No, he shouldn't. But what he is, I'm fine with that being known and if he broke the laws over there he should be accountable for it. PETA? Another extremist organization that mixes the good with the absurd, unfortunately.

PETA affirms a notion of veganism, despite that God gave us preeminence over animals after the Flood of Noah.

They are an insult to all Abrahamic religion, proposing that we are wrong in our beliefs in relevance to man and animal.

 

[Town Heretic]

PETA affirms a notion of veganism, despite that God gave us preeminence over animals after the Food of Noah.

They are an insult to all Abrahamic religion, proposing that we are wrong in our beliefs in relevance to man and animal.

I have canine incisors. I was designed to consume meat as well as vegetables and fruit and I try to be sensible about quantity and quality. I wouldn't say a man has to eat meat to please God or offends Him in abstaining...and God did forbid the eating of certain meat for a time though that meat was under our husbandry.

I can even see a nobility in someone who forswears meat to abstain from causing any more suffering than he can help, but I think that fellow has bred in himself a sensitivity that is contrary to his nature and that it can too easily become an idol of sorts and a vanity.

 

[Arthur Brain]

I'm just going to throw this out there to those who may think that hunting for 'sport' is fun or okay.

What kind of mind set finds the taking of life to be fun or enjoyable?

One answer would be me from around twenty years ago. It's probably going to read as laughable to some as it involves flies. During a hot summer in the UK (a rare phenomenon) we had a plethora of the things in the house. One day, while being in a very bad mood I decided to kill the swarm downstairs with a bacterial disinfectant spray. It was quicker than any 'fly spray' and I targeted the things in the living room, the kitchen and dining room.

I enjoyed spraying them and watching them flop to the ground or just die, so much so that I went around every room of the house and searched out for even just the odd few that might still be there and then again.

True, there was no danger to myself in any of this but the principle is the important part in this. I killed simply for fun at the end of it and I'm glad I felt ashamed at that later. No doubt the gist of this will be lost on aCW and the like but hey.

 

[Cons&Spires]

I'm just going to throw this out there to those who may think that hunting for 'sport' is fun or okay.

What kind of mind set finds the taking of life to be fun or enjoyable?

All living beings have souls. The human soul, obviously, is the most significant- they are the apple of God's eye on this earth.

Unlike the souls of animals, however, ours is subject to judgement. An animal enjoys the oblivion all the atheists apparently desire.

 

[Arthur Brain]

PETA affirms a notion of veganism, despite that God gave us preeminence over animals after the Flood of Noah.

They are an insult to all Abrahamic religion, proposing that we are wrong in our beliefs in relevance to man and animal.

There's no disputing that mankind is at the top of the food chain and let's just take PETA out of the equation for a minute. Do you think it's wrong for people to be vegetarians or vegans?

 

[Arthur Brain]

All living beings have souls. The human soul, obviously, is the most significant- they are the apple of God's eye on this earth.

Unlike the souls of animals, however, ours is subject to judgement. An animal enjoys the oblivion all the atheists apparently desire.

Uh, then what's the point of an animal or insect having a 'soul' exactly?

Rather bizarre to say the least and you missed the gist of my post anyway.

 

[Cons&Spires]

There's no disputing that mankind is at the top of the food chain and let's just take PETA out of the equation for a minute. Do you think it's wrong for people to be vegetarians or vegans?

I don't see it as wrong in and of itself. Lets not forget that there was a time in which God commanded man to not partake in meat- before the Deluge, it was law.

Therefore, God acknowledges that animals endure pain, but He also gave us the blessing of eating meat nonetheless. And not just meat, but also pork- an unclean meat, which the apostles partook in.

In Passover, the Jews actually attack every organ of the lamb simultaneously as to ensure an almost pain-free death. However, this is not commanded of us.

 

[Arthur Brain]

I don't see it as wrong in and of itself. Lets not forget that there was a time in which God commanded man to not partake in meat- before the Deluge, it was law.

Therefore, God acknowledges that animals endure pain, but He also gave us the blessing of eating meat nonetheless. And not just meat, but also pork- an unclean meat, which the apostles partook in.

In Passover, the Jews actually attack every organ of the lamb simultaneously as to ensure an almost pain-free death. However, this is not commanded of us.

So you don't see it as wrong then, good.

Tell me though, why do animals endure pain if they just die and that's it for them? A bit unlucky aren't they?

 

[Cons&Spires]

So you don't see it as wrong then, good.

Tell me though, why do animals endure pain if they just die and that's it for them? A bit unlucky aren't they?

They endure physical pain, but their souls are neither saved or condemned- they go to the peace of oblivion. They aren't burdened with judgement- receiving Heaven or Hell.

The reason I'm against PETA is not because of it's practice, but because of it's motives.

 

[Arthur Brain]

They endure physical pain, but their souls are neither saved or condemned- they go to the peace of oblivion. They aren't burdened with judgement- receiving Heaven or Hell.

The reason I'm against PETA is not because of it's practice, but because of it's motives.

Oh, so they're "blessed" with existence and the capacity to feel pain during such before being summarily annihilated? Real nice that is, how loving...

Do you have any idea of how asinine your argument is here?!

I'm no fan of PETA either as I've told you already.

 

[Cons&Spires]

Oh, so they're "blessed" with existence and the capacity to feel pain during such before being summarily annihilated? Real nice that is, how loving...

Do you have any idea of how asinine your argument is here?!

I'm no fan of PETA either as I've told you already.

The soul is gauged by it's perspective.

That's what you are forgetting- are animals as us, sentient and able to make empirical decisions?

The answer, quite simply, is no.
Therefore, human souls, unlike animals, require either salvation or damnation.

 

[rougueone]

ACW, PETA would have everyone who killed an animal put to death. Irrespective if the person was hunting for subsistence, or defending their life. I find this guy who shot this lion about a likeable as a boil on my genitals. I feel the same about all trophy hunter's. And I hunt. ( used to-hope to again ) .

 

[aCultureWarrior]

I see your point, never took that into account. Baiting is cheap. If that's what the man did than shame be on him definitely.

If the great white hunter knew anything about hunting he'd know that using things such as duck calls is a form of baiting.

Is that unethical?