PETA wants lion hunter put to death

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According to National Geographic in an article written a few years before this incident around 600 lions were being bagged by trophy hunters each year. Americans account for the lion's share of those killed (around 60% of the trophies are shipped here).

How many trophy hunters died that or most years? Around none. So, with modern weapons and the way the "hunts" are set up the danger is mostly to your bank account.

I'm not so sure "none" were killed or mauled. But, I wasn't really worried about the hunters being mauled and killed by lions, although they certainly have been over the years. I was thinking more of the people that try to live where they live. To say nothing of the poor innocent big brown eyed gazelles etc.

Actually, if it wasn't for the huge fees these rich guys pay for the hunts, conservation efforts would not be ongoing. We do the same thing here in Oregon to keep the deer population under control (but deer aren't quite as dangerous as lions). Course, a deer in rut :shocked:....and those deer who cross the road in front of our cars.....just saying.
 

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If the twerp who killed the lion broke the law, put him in jail. If not, expose him publicly and let people know what kind of person he is.

Those who think it's great to artificially set up a wild animal so that a hunter-wannabee can kill it, will continue to patronize his business. Those who don't, will not.

Public shaming has its place.

OR, before we condemn someone we could hear his side of the story (but that's so unliberal like isn't it?)
 

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Don't go arguing Holy Scripture with Art Brain, Nick. He's TOL's resident pagan expert on the bible don't cha know.

Oh, well perhaps you can point me to where God said that people are to eat all animals as Nick suggests then?

I'll wait while that doesn't happen shall I?

Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Genesis 9:3

Honestly, the pair of you cretins make mothballs look intelligent.

Your thoughts on slaughtering and feasting on this little critter?

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Arthur Brain

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Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Genesis 9:3

So, where is it commanded that a person should consume animals exactly? That is, after all, what I was asking for. Have you eaten every moving thing that liveth? Do you plan to? Complete fail Connie although hardly a surprise.

Your thoughts on slaughtering and feasting on this little critter?

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Thoughts? Fact is I have feasted on such and now I've decreed no more, along with all meat.

And?
 

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Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
Genesis 9:3

So, where is it commanded that a person should consume animals exactly? That is, after all, what I was asking for. Have you eaten every moving thing that liveth? Do you plan to? Complete fail Connie although hardly a surprise.

Nick didn't use the word "command". As shown God approves of meat consumption when He speaks about eating "every moving thing that liveth".

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Your thoughts on slaughtering and feasting on this little critter?

Thoughts? Fact is I have feasted on such and now I've decreed no more, along with all meat.

And?

Why did you wait so long to tell us that you're a granola crunching-tree hugging-vegetarian?

"And"(more from Holy Scripture)

Exodus 12: 5-8
 

Arthur Brain

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Nick didn't use the word "command". As shown God approves of meat consumption when He speaks about eating "every moving thing that liveth".

Oh, well perhaps you can explain how the following from Nick M doesn't equate to a command or that failure to eat animals is somehow immoral then...

"Right. You did it because the Lord God said you are to eat all animals, just cook them."

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4403232&postcount=155

Do you even know how to read? Properly I mean? And as before, have you ate every moving thing that liveth?

Why did you wait so long to tell us that you're a granola crunching-tree hugging-vegetarian?

"And"(more from Holy Scripture)

Exodus 12: 5-8

Probably because I'm not you deranged crank. Your stupidity really knows no bounds does it?

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If the twerp who killed the lion broke the law, put him in jail. If not, expose him publicly and let people know what kind of person he is.

Those who think it's great to artificially set up a wild animal so that a hunter-wannabee can kill it, will continue to patronize his business. Those who don't, will not.

Public shaming has its place.

OR, before we condemn someone we could hear his side of the story

We've already heard his side of the story. He sent out a letter, blaming it all on his guides. He had no idea that chaining a goat up to lure lions out of protected areas was illegal, he says.

(but that's so unliberal like isn't it?)

Here's what those liberals at the Safari Club International (whose mission is conservation and preservation of hunter's rights) did after they heard his explanation:

Washington, D.C. – Safari Club International (SCI) supports a full and thorough investigation of the circumstances surrounding the death of Cecil the lion in Zimbabwe. SCI has imposed immediate emergency membership suspensions of both the involved hunter and his guide/professional hunter, and they will remain in place pending the outcome of an investigation.

Safari Club International condemns unlawful and unethical hunting practices. SCI supports only legal hunting practices and those who comply with all applicable hunting rules and regulations, and SCI believes that those who intentionally take wildlife illegally should be prosecuted and punished to the maximum extent allowed by law.

http://huntforever.org/2015/07/29/s...ofessional-hunter-involved-in-death-of-cecil/

Even his fellow hunters are repulsed. Lots of people hunt as a sport, and they are, like the rest of us, disgusted with the way this lion was killed.
 

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Years ago, my daughter was playing on an American team in an English football tournament, and they were in Wales. At the snackbar, they had "lamburgers" so she had one.

Then she noted across the fence in the next field, sheep were staring at her.
 

bybee

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Years ago, my daughter was playing on an American team in an English football tournament, and they were in Wales. At the snackbar, they had "lamburgers" so she had one.

Then she noted across the fence in the next field, sheep were staring at her.

...and I have heard a primal scream from my tomato plants every time I pluck a nice ripe tomato from their vines....
I don't think God intended us to starve to death.
 

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...and I have heard a primal scream from my tomato plants every time I pluck a nice ripe tomato from their vines....

Since the fruit evolved to be taken and eaten in order to spread plants, that seems odd.

I don't think God intended us to starve to death.

Well, she still ate the burger, so I guess she agrees with you. It was just a moment of enlightenment as to what eating a burger actually entails. I enjoy eating meat. But I think everyone who does, should watch animals being killed, just to understand the process.

In nature, animals are killed and eaten, often suffering more fear and pain than they would if they were killed in a slaughterhouse. This is the world we have. My only concern is that we inflict no more pain and anquish than we must.

Not merely for the animals. For us. Because inflicting pain can become an addiction, and we are very prone to that addiction.
It is one of the most corrosive things one can do to his soul.
 

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Nick didn't use the word "command". As shown God approves of meat consumption when He speaks about eating "every moving thing that liveth".

Oh, well perhaps you can explain how the following from Nick M doesn't equate to a command or that failure to eat animals is somehow immoral then...

"Right. You did it because the Lord God said you are to eat all animals, just cook them."

http://www.theologyonline.com/forums...&postcount=155

I'll leave Nick to do his own explaining to TOL's expert pagan theologian.

That being said: do you know what Nick meant when he said "...just cook them"?

...And as before, have you ate every moving thing that liveth?

Of course not, but that doesn't mean that God doesn't allow me to eat any kind of meat on earth (even lion).


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Why did you wait so long to tell us that you're a granola crunching-tree hugging-vegetarian?

"And"(more from Holy Scripture)

Exodus 12: 5-8

Probably because I'm not you deranged crank. Your stupidity really knows no bounds does it?

Why is it that I get the feeling that your apartment is full of these kinds of "trophies" :

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Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
OR, before we condemn someone we could hear his side of the story

We've already heard his side of the story. He sent out a letter, blaming it all on his guides. He had no idea that chaining a goat up to lure lions out of protected areas was illegal, he says.

Have "we"? What press conference was that? Dr. Palmer hasn't had the opportunity to tell his side of the incident (other than sending a letter to his patients: http://www.eonline.com/news/681379/...e-lion-peta-calls-for-u-s-hunter-to-be-hanged) because he's received so many death threats that he had to close down his dental practice and go into hiding.

"To my valued patients: As you may have already heard, I have been in the news over the last few days for reasons that have nothing to do with my profession or the care I provide for you. I want you to know of this situation and my involvement In addition to spending time with my family, one of my passions outside dentistry is hunting. I’ve been a life-long hunter since I was a child growing up in North Dakota. I don’t often talk about hunting with my patients because it can be a divisive and emotionally charged topic. I understand and respect that not everyone shares the same views on hunting.

In early July, I was in Zimbabwe on a bow hunting trip for big game. I hired several professional guides and they secured all proper permits. To my knowledge, everything about this trip was legal and properly handled and conducted. I had no idea that the lion I took was a known, local favorite, was collared and part of a study until the end of the hunt. I relied on the expertise of my local professional guides to ensure a legal hunt. I have not been contacted by authorities in Zimbabwe or in the U.S. about this situation, but will assist them in any inquiries they may have.

Again, I deeply regret that my pursuit of an activity I love and practice responsibly and legally resulted in the taking of this lion. That was never my intention. The media interest in this matter – along with a substantial number of comments and calls from people who are angered by this situation and by the practice of hunting in general – has disrupted our business and our ability to see our patients. For that disruption, I apologize profoundly for this inconvenience and promise you that we will do our best to resume normal operations as soon as possible. We are working to have patients with immediate needs referred to other dentists and will keep you informed of any additional developments. On behalf of all of us at River Bluff Dental, thank you for your support."

Sincerely, Walter J. Palmer, DDS River Bluff Dental
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(but that's so unliberal like isn't it?)

Here's what those liberals at the Safari Club International (whose mission is conservation and preservation of hunter's rights) did after they heard his explanation:

Washington, D.C. – Safari Club International (SCI) supports a full and thorough investigation of the circumstances surrounding the death of Cecil the lion in Zimbabwe.

Thank you. Until the accused can come out of hiding and assist with the "full and thorough investigation of the circumstances..." then "we" won't know the whole story.
 

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Actually, if it wasn't for the huge fees these rich guys pay for the hunts, conservation efforts would not be ongoing. We do the same thing here in Oregon to keep the deer population under control (but deer aren't quite as dangerous as lions). Course, a deer in rut :shocked:....and those deer who cross the road in front of our cars.....just saying.

That's an interesting and tough part about this. The conservationists and animal rights groups probably want to be careful about how much they go after hunts like this because they benefit at the same time. I mean, I don't think there is any way to defend Palmer in this particular case (unless he truly was completely duped about what was happening) but there is a double-edged sword in the broad issue of trophy hunting.
 

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Wouldn't it be great if these people were outside of Planned Parenthood butcher factories and protesting the murder and selling of unborn baby body parts?

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Wide shot look at #CecilTheLion protest outside Dr. Walt Palmer's office. Chanting, "ex-tra-dite, ex-tra-dite."
 

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That's an interesting and tough part about this. The conservationists and animal rights groups probably want to be careful about how much they go after hunts like this because they benefit at the same time. I mean, I don't think there is any way to defend Palmer in this particular case (unless he truly was completely duped about what was happening) but there is a double-edged sword in the broad issue of trophy hunting.

I guess it's also a sad state of affairs that they have to rely so much on the trophy hunting.
 

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Since the fruit evolved to be taken and eaten in order to spread plants, that seems odd.



Well, she still ate the burger, so I guess she agrees with you. It was just a moment of enlightenment as to what eating a burger actually entails. I enjoy eating meat. But I think everyone who does, should watch animals being killed, just to understand the process.

In nature, animals are killed and eaten, often suffering more fear and pain than they would if they were killed in a slaughterhouse. This is the world we have. My only concern is that we inflict no more pain and anquish than we must.

Not merely for the animals. For us. Because inflicting pain can become an addiction, and we are very prone to that addiction.
It is one of the most corrosive things one can do to his soul.

Sometimes, though, once one is aware of inflicting pain one suffers remorse and the determination not to do it again.
I might remind you of St. Peter's vision?
 

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Quote: Originally posted by a barbarian

In nature, animals are killed and eaten, often suffering more fear and pain than they would if they were killed in a slaughterhouse...

Done the vast majority of the time by other animals.

Your issue obviously is with God (He should have made beasts "kinder and gentler" towards one another).
 

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I'm not so sure "none" were killed or mauled.
More people die by Hippo than by lion. But google and see how many trophy hunter deaths you run into.

But, I wasn't really worried about the hunters being mauled and killed by lions, although they certainly have been over the years. I was thinking more of the people that try to live where they live. To say nothing of the poor innocent big brown eyed gazelles etc.
What's the rate of attacks on people by lions in general? How does it compare to, say, sharks?

Actually, if it wasn't for the huge fees these rich guys pay for the hunts, conservation efforts would not be ongoing.
The average hunter does a great deal for the environment through fees and the like, but the trophy hunter only tends to impact where you have a government partnership and oversight in play, using some of the funds generated to impact the animal populations (Nambia appears to be a great example of that), but a study by National Geographic Africa noted a photographic safari generates three times the total revenue of more traditional "hunts". And unlike the traditional hunting economy, photographic safaris would see benefits extended to the general population, instead of a much smaller of wealthy land owners, as is the case in South Africa, where much of that hunting is going on.

And then there are the less exceptional nations, like Zimbabwe, where local populations have been hunted to non existence due to a lack of institutional controls by the government and conservancies and parks are being hunted.

Or, it's complicated.

Here's a bit from a recent New Yorker article, examining the claim of positive economic impact from big game hunting:

"In practice though, studies have shown that only about three per cent of these fees actually reaches the local communities. Most of the money is siphoned off by the hunting industry and government officials. Meanwhile, in the eight sub-Saharan countries that currently sell permits allowing hunters to target lions, the animals’ numbers are dwindling alarmingly. Only thirty-two thousand to thirty-five thousand lions are now believed to live in the wild, down thirty per cent over the past twenty years. The decimation of African savannah elephants and other big game species is more alarming still, suggesting that leaving the free market to protect endangered species is a fatal fallacy." Does Zimbabwe Really Need Trophy Hunting? BY Jane Mayer
 
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