Once saved NOT necessarily always saved.

Grosnick Marowbe

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There was a time when Paul was preaching the Grace Message to the gentiles
and Peter and the rest were preaching the Kingdom Message to the House of
Israel. We're now living in the Dispensation of Grace and both Jew and gentile
alike are under the Grace Message. (Paul's Gospel)
 

heir

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The good news about my eventual salvation is that "He which hath begun a good work in me will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ." That is to say, He will see that work completed. It is guaranteed - literally.
"eventual salvation" sounds like "initial justification" :sigh: "What is the gospel of your salvation?" is such a simple question that hardly ever gets a right answer.

There is no need for uncertainty, because He has given an earnest on salvation, as also it says in the verse that follows the one you reference (Ephesians 1:14). Click here for the definition of an earnest. The definition is probably necessary in order to understand the verses.

Now, why would God pledge an earnest on salvation if the full inheritance is already given, and men are already saved (past tense) in this dispensation? Earnests pertain to future transactions; not past ones.

In this case, the transaction is a purchase - God is purchasing me. As the buyer, once God has pledged the earnest, it is His guarantee that He will complete the transaction, and He cannot take it back.

Yet there remains the possibility that the seller (me) can cancel the transaction. The agreement is not so fragile that it might be canceled if I say a few unkind words or fail to do all the "good works" that have been laid out for me. The only singular way that I can cancel the transaction, is if I purposefully cancel the transaction by returning the earnest which God has pledged.

Coming back to Ephesians 1:13 (where you started us), we can see that the earnest God has pledged is His own Holy Spirit. Can such even be returned? Yes it can, and to do so is called Biblically, "the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit" or "grieving the Spirit."

Jarrod
The seal with the Holy Spirit is a guaranteed done deal just like our salvation! It cannot be broken. We cannot be unsealed anymore than we can be uncrucified, uburied, unrisen (Galatians 2:20 KJV, Colossians 2:11-13 KJV) or unseated (Ephesians 2:6 KJV). The seal is a guarantee of that which was already purchased. We were bought with a price (1 Corinthians 7:23 KJV) not rented (TH) and are awaiting pick up (Galatians 1:3-5 KJV, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 KJV, Philippians 3:18-21 KJV, Titus 2:13 KJV). The guarantee is good til then! PTL!

Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Ephesians 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
 

iouae

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Surely I have already died in Christ.

~Col 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
~Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
~Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Maybe I misunderstood you. What does one have to do to be saved?
Acts 16:30
 
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heir

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May be I misunderstood you. What does one have to do to be saved?
Acts 16:30
Paul didn't tell him to DO anything, but to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ!

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
 

Grosnick Marowbe

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How can you be saved before you have been created? :plain:



Satan doesn't really need new tricks, does he?

See:

Predestination and Will: How are predestination and election connected with foreknowledge?

Ephesians 1:4 states: "According as he hath chosen us in him
before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and
without blame before him in love:"

This verse could be used by a Calvinist. However, they'd have to
misinterpret it according to their belief system. The verse is
actually saying that, God chose those, who would place their faith
in Christ and that those true believers would be Holy and without
blame because of what Christ would do on their behalf.
 

beloved57

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Paul didn't tell him to DO anything, but to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ!

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Is believing something man does ?
 
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