ECT No one was "looking forward to the cross"

[SaulToPaul 2]

They are both fulfilled in Christ.

Don't worry about special days and when to observe them.

Observe Jesus all day every day.

I'm not worried about it.
Do you think there's a reason God purposely made them months apart? Is there anything we can learn from it?

 

[Nihilo]

When I said no one was looking forward to the cross, I mean no one knew of all that God was going to accomplish through the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. That is what no one was looking forward to because, according to Paul, that aspect of the work of Christ was still an unrevealed secret hid in God.

Was part of what was hidden, knowledge that the Maker's only Son Himself would become flesh to accomplish this work?

Possibly, not sure how explicit that was.

What was definitely a mystery, or secret, was how God was going to accomplish salvation for all--by grace through faith alone without Israel, without preference, and without works of any kind.

I am sure that Him being the Maker's only Son made flesh, is a breathtakingly important part of Him coming and accomplishing salvation for the whole world. Just take His crucifixion: it's one thing to accidentally execute your promised king/messiah; and even with that image in mind; it's quite another to accidentally execute your maker.

 

[dodge]

You're missing the point. They didn't even know the scripture that said he must rise again.
Yet, they were preaching the gospel of the kingdom for 3 years. How could that gospel be the same as 1 Cor 15:1-4 (KJV)?

It can't.

The point is God through the prophets told them what was going to happen as in the D.B.R.. Did anyone understand the prophecies ? Partially yes because the Jews understood that Messiah was coming to Israel. Did they understand that the Messiah had come as a suffering servant and not as King of Kings and Lord of Lords at the first coming ? No, not until after Jesus resurrected did they understand that part of the prophecies.

Your point does not make another gospel reality because there is only one Gospel.

Scripture is clear that there is only one Gospel. The effect of the Gospel is grace that can only be obtained with faith through, by, and in the one that brought and died to make the Gospel effective.

Just as J.B. paved the way for Jesus so did ALL of the Apostles in there 3 years of preaching ,and after the event that changed them all forever do you believe they did not witness to the fact that Jesus arose from the grave which they witnessed first hand ?

You might want to consider that they lived through the resurrection of Jesus. I don't see any Apostle not witnessing to the fact of the resurrection after Jesus arose.

After Jesus arose I believe they understood the prophecies that explained the WHY Jesus was sacrificed as payment for sin.

 

[God's Truth]

I'm not worried about it.
Do you think there's a reason God purposely made them months apart? Is there anything we can learn from it?

It is in your false teachings and lack of fear and humbleness to the Lord that you think there is any other way for anyone.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

It is in your false teachings and lack of fear and humbleness to the Lord that you think there is any other way for anyone.

Huh?

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Your point does not make another gospel reality because there is only one Gospel.

Undefeatable logic, there

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

It's a symbolic story about the visible images that curse human beings during this generation until they are destroyed on the day of the Lord or any other time that was planned by our Creator. There are many symbolic stories meaning the same thing such as you find in Psalms, Revelation and other prophecies found in the other books of the OT.

The main point of the prophecies were for God to use to prove to us servants of the millennium reign of Christ that our testimonies are true and accurate. We write the stories about the beast, day of the Lord destruction of the beast, false prophet and the flesh of man and what happens after that day. Our testimonies match the prophecies which contain bits of the stories that we write for God.

No one can put all these prophecies together and figure out what the future story is without first being chosen by God to hear His voice and obey all his commandments to confess and repent of all the sins committed before being empowered by the Holy Spirit of God who takes complete control of the flesh during the preaching of the gospel of God.

So to try figure out these prophecies are useless information that is not necessary. If you listen to the gospel of God that I preach to God's chosen believers, then you will hear the plain talk in English without any symbolism involved. God may use parables ( analogies ) to help you understand some deeper knowledge but that's only if you're chosen by him to understand.

What's the base? Why is it in the land of Shinar?

 

[dodge]

Undefeatable logic, there

EXACTLY !

:rapture:

 

[john w]

If they had 'understood' it they prob would have tried to prevent it.

Peter tried to prevent the Lord Jesus Christ's death, and His death was a key component of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, by which we are reconciled:

From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee" Mt. 16:21-22 KJV

"And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him." Mark 8:31-32 KJV

Peter’s response was to rebuke the Lord Jesus Christ. Today, in this dispensation, when someone rebukes the gospel of Christ, what do we call that someone? Lost.Peter certainly wasn’t “looking forward" to the dbr.


Please teach us..Please?

 

[john w]

One Promise, One new Covenant, One Savior, One Gospel, One salvation worked by God's grace, One kind of believers.

=Judas preached the "One Gospel" of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, and you assert only one piece of good news in the bible?


Made up, and satanic.

 

[john w]

Covenant Theology is the systematic theological study, premised only upon the Word of God, and His promises, from before the creation of the world.

How else could the Word of God be biblically described, but as the Eternal Covenant of Redemption?

No such thing as a "Eternal Covenant of Redemption." You winged it, as usual, after consulting your alleged "one church always" SOF.

 

[john w]

Yes, there is only one Gospel....

....and Naggie thus asserts, again, on record, that Judas preached this only one piece of good news, of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV....Her saint Judas the evangelist, per Luke 9:6 KJV!!!!! Puh-rayyyzzzz Gaaaaaawd!!!!!!!!!

Sssssssssssssssss...............

 

[dodge]

Undefeatable logic, there

STP, for one minute place yourself in the Apostles shoes. Do you believe you could have seen and touched the risen Lord Jesus and NOT tell anyone about Him arising ?

 

[john w]

Progressive revelation....a biblical principle.....

The dbr is the basis of everyone's justification, but the content of faith did change, progressively.....Survey the Hebrews 11 "Faith Hall of Fame"............

Hebrews 11 KJV
31 By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.


Rahab "looking forward to the cross?"


No.

 

[john w]

All to be known of Christ has been written and now fulfilled in time, and people read it, hear about it, discuss it . . and still do not understand or believe it.

Why?

Because without the indwelling of Holy Spirit, no mortal can understand or believe the spiritual truths of God. I Corinthians 2:6-16

Sure, Nag.....The 11 just did not have "the indwelling of Holy Spirit," explaining why........


For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV

 

[john w]

No one?

It is impossible for you to know this as fact. There might have been 7000 souls, filled with the Holy Spirit that understood the principle of life required for a life was included in the Covenant promise of a Savior.

Only God knows, and only God reveals spiritual truths to men . . and in His own choice of timing.

Your blanket statements are motivated only to sell your false MADist views.

For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV

"For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him." Mark 9:31-32 KJV

"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34 KJV



A 6 year old can see it....


Shuck your SOF, evil "lady."

 

[john w]

Which prove that Jesus' words while he walked the earth is for EVERYONE.

John 12:12 And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself."

Sell all you have.


Watch the satanic dodge-again.

 

[john w]

Of course because they had NOT seen Jesus yet !

It was pretty UN-common for folks that were dead to walk out of the tomb alive. You might want to cut all of the Apostles some slack. Poor old Thomas had to see and then had to touch Jesus to believe because he could not believe what he was seeing.

On this side of the resurrection with eye witnesses we believe. THINK none of the Apostles had that luxury and PROOF as it was UN-folding before them see the difference ?

Looking forward/didn’t fully understand jazz-made up--they were clueless-it was hid from the 12.


1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV "gospel"

Death
Burial
Resurrection

Survey the book...

1.The 12 did not know of the impending dbr-it was hid from them, until later in the Lord's ministry-and yet, prior to them knowing, they were preaching "the gospel of the kingdom:"


"For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him." Mark 9:31-32 KJV

"Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on: And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken." Luke 18:31-34 KJV

"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead." John 20:9 KJV


2. Peter tried to prevent the Lord Jesus Christ's death, and His death was a key component of 1 Cor. 15:1-4, by which we are reconciled:

"From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee" Mt. 16:21-22 KJV

"And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him." Mark 8:31-32 KJV

Peter’s response was to rebuke the Lord Jesus Christ. Today, in this dispensation, when someone rebukes the gospel of Christ, what do we call that someone? Lost.Peter certainly wasn’t “looking forward" to the dbr.


3. Even after the Lord's death, burial, and resurrection, the 12 initially did not believe it:

"And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted." Mt. 28:17 KJV

"And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not. After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country. And they went and told it unto the residue: neither believed they them. Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen." Mark 16:11 KJV

"And returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things unto the eleven, and to all the rest. It was Mary Magdalene and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles. And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not." Luke 24:9-11 KJV

What do we call someone who “believes not” the resurrection? You got it-lost! If Peter and the 10 were “looking forward to" the dbr, they certainly would not have denied the resurrection after it happened.


" And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?" Luke 24:41 KJV

Therefore, they were not preaching the dbr, "the gospel" of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV, as a basis of justification, at least prior to its occurrence, but they were preaching the gospel of the kingdom. They certainly were not "looking forward" to it, and this "didn't fully understand it" jazz is made up-they knew NADA about it, as it was hid from them. They initially denied the resurrection.


The reason...

1 Cor. 2 KJV

6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

"He switched it....He did it to them...."

God the Father did it to satan, and his minions....., as it is written...


"the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom"


Get it? Had they, satan/his minions, "the princes ofthis world,"known of the disastrous repercussions, for them, of the dbr, they, "the princes of this world," would not have crucified the Lord Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[john w]

Your point does not make another gospel reality because there is only one Gospel.

Scripture is clear that there is only one Gospel.

=made up. If there was only one piece of good news in the bible, that would mean that Judas preached the good news of 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV.


That is satanic.

 

[God's Truth]

Sell all you have.


Watch the satanic dodge-again.

Jesus doesn't tell all to sell all they have.

You condemn by saying we do not have to obey anything that Jesus teaches while on earth because Jesus says sell all you have. You do not understand so then you tell us to do nothing he says.

How is that wisdom? How is that from God?