ECT No one was "looking forward to the cross"

[Nick M]

Jesus was, though, Hebrews 12:2 (KJV), He looked forward to "the joy that was set before Him."

And since He knew beforehand, the question is whether or not He was clear with His disciples about what was going to happen, or if He was coy, or downright deceptive?

Maybe this is what I was thinking of. He did not want to be tortured and executed. But he was willing to do it to save the world.

 

[Nihilo]

Maybe this is what I was thinking of. He did not want to be tortured and executed. But he was willing to do it to save the world.

Luke 22:42 (KJV) Absolutely.

 

[Truster]

[Title borrowed from a mid-Acts blog]

If anyone during the Lord's time on earth would have anticipated His death, burial and resurrection for forgiveness and justification of the world, the disciples would have been the ones.

But what does God tell us?




So if you have been taught that people before Calvary were "looking forward to the cross" as their Good News, you have been fooled into placing stupid, lying human traditions that someone handed to you above the revealed Word of God. However, you can always repent [change your mind] about that, and you should do so immediately.

But if you read the above Scripture and still insist that people back then were somehow "looking forward to the cross" as their Good News, you are a literal pharisee because you hate God's Word and love the stupid lies of human traditions (Mark 7:13), which also reveals you to be a stiff-necked stupid liar yourself.

"And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen Yah Veh's Messiah".

"He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being transliterated, the Messiah".

Here are two scriptures that denote the looking forward to Messiah. Do I really need to provide all the OT verses that describe His birth, life, means of death, resurrection and glorification? In OT as well as NT only those that are heirs of the Promise are given instruction, understanding and comfort from the scriptures and the pre-evangelism. To us it is truly the word of life. To those without it is the killing letter.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Can God not write things down in the prophets and keep them veiled until he is ready to reveal it?
Obviously the nuts and bolts of the LORD's death, burial, and resurrection are back there. That does not mean that folks understood it and were looking forward to it as their salvation...not at all.

 

[musterion]

"And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen Yah Veh's Messiah".

"He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being transliterated, the Messiah".

Here are two scriptures that denote the looking forward to Messiah. Do I really need to provide all the OT verses that describe His birth, life, means of death, resurrection and glorification? In OT as well as NT only those that are heirs of the Promise are given instruction, understanding and comfort from the scriptures and the pre-evangelism. To us it is truly the word of life. To those without it is the killing letter.

Perhaps I should have been more clear up front. When I said no one was looking forward to the cross, I mean no one knew of all that God was going to accomplish through the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. That is what no one was looking forward to because, according to Paul, that aspect of the work of Christ was still an unrevealed secret hid in God.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

It is one and the same. There is no gospel ABOUT the kingdom. It is possessive case, grammatically, meaning a great announcement from the (new arrived) reign of Christ, or belonging to it, or because of it. But not ABOUT where the good part is THE FACT of a kingdom. Nor is the 'basileiu' in question a civic authority, a monarchy or a theocracy.

all those are fake theology

:chuckle:

The good news of the kingdom. 6th Grade English. Everyone can understand it, except the geniuses.

 

[Nihilo]

Perhaps I should have been more clear up front. When I said no one was looking forward to the cross, I mean no one knew of all that God was going to accomplish through the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. That is what no one was looking forward to because, according to Paul, that aspect of the work of Christ was still an unrevealed secret hid in God.

Was part of what was hidden, knowledge that the Maker's only Son Himself would become flesh to accomplish this work?

 

[Nang]

Can God not write things down in the prophets and keep them veiled until he is ready to reveal it?
Obviously the nuts and bolts of the LORD's death, burial, and resurrection are back there. That does not mean that folks understood it and were looking forward to it as their salvation...not at all.

All to be known of Christ has been written and now fulfilled in time, and people read it, hear about it, discuss it . . and still do not understand or believe it.

Why?

Because without the indwelling of Holy Spirit, no mortal can understand or believe the spiritual truths of God. I Corinthians 2:6-16

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

All to be known of Christ has been written and now fulfilled in time, and people read it, hear about it, discuss it . . and still do not understand or believe it.

Why?

Because without the indwelling of Holy Spirit, no mortal can understand or believe the spiritual truths of God. I Corinthians 2:6-16

No one knew that the Messiah was going to die for their sins. They did not look ahead to it as their salvation. Period.

 

[steko]

:chuckle:

The good news of the kingdom. 6th Grade English. Everyone can understand it, except the geniuses.

"Doesn't a Genius live in a lamp?"- Patrick Star

 

[Nang]

No one knew that the Messiah was going to die for their sins. They did not look ahead to it as their salvation. Period.

No one?

It is impossible for you to know this as fact. There might have been 7000 souls, filled with the Holy Spirit that understood the principle of life required for a life was included in the Covenant promise of a Savior.

Only God knows, and only God reveals spiritual truths to men . . and in His own choice of timing.

Your blanket statements are motivated only to sell your false MADist views.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

"Doesn't a Genius live in a lamp?"- Patrick Star

I Dream of Genius?

 

[steko]

Can God not write things down in the prophets and keep them veiled until he is ready to reveal it?
Obviously the nuts and bolts of the LORD's death, burial, and resurrection are back there. That does not mean that folks understood it and were looking forward to it as their salvation...not at all.

Worded with excellence!

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

No one?

No one.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Your blanket statements are motivated only to sell your false MADist views.

:chuckle:

 

[musterion]

Was part of what was hidden, knowledge that the Maker's only Son Himself would become flesh to accomplish this work?

Possibly, not sure how explicit that was.

What was definitely a mystery, or secret, was how God was going to accomplish salvation for all--by grace through faith alone without Israel, without preference, and without works of any kind.

 

[Interplanner]

No one?

It is impossible for you to know this as fact. There might have been 7000 souls, filled with the Holy Spirit that understood the principle of life required for a life was included in the Covenant promise of a Savior.

Only God knows, and only God reveals spiritual truths to men . . and in His own choice of timing.

Your blanket statements are motivated only to sell your false MADist views.

The usual clumsy homework by STP. There's the typology of Isaac, and all the sacrifices, Isaiah 53 and Dan 9 says Messiah will be 'cut off (killed) but NOT FOR HIMSELF.'

Now watch 2P2P screw all that up.

 

[Interplanner]

Worded with excellence!

In an odd way STP is saying great things here. The veil (not vail, Colorado), the 'unnecessity' of Christ's death etc.

They (in the 1st century) were veiled by the old covenant from seeing what was embedded in it. The thing veiled was the necessity of Christ's death. So the new covenant came and was all about that, and not about the things Judaism thought were so important. Definitely not the land promise. The question for 2P2P is how much the veil still affects THEM.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

The usual clumsy homework by STP. There's the typology of Isaac, and all the sacrifices, Isaiah 53 and Dan 9 says Messiah will be 'cut off (killed) but NOT FOR HIMSELF.'

Now watch 2P2P screw all that up.

No one knew the Messiah would die for their sins, until it was revealed to Paul.
The fact that there are types in the prophets does not mean that God was ready for anyone to grasp it.

Your argument is with the scripture (as usual).

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

In an odd way STP is saying great things here. The veil (not vail, Colorado), the 'unnecessity' of Christ's death etc.

They (in the 1st century) were veiled by the old covenant from seeing what was embedded in it. The thing veiled was the necessity of Christ's death. So the new covenant came and was all about that, and not about the things Judaism thought were so important. Definitely not the land promise. The question for 2P2P is how much the veil still affects THEM.

You have the benefit of looking back on the prophets 2000 years after Paul explained the gospel.
Put yourself in the others' position, and you would not have a had a clue that Christ was to die for your sins.

And, one more thing...put down the commentaries.