Ok, then how about the fact that the '78 Steelers had 9 HOF'ers and the '89 49'ers had 5 HOF'ers.
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Ok, then how about the fact that the '78 Steelers had 9 HOF'ers and the '89 49'ers had 5 HOF'ers.
Caledvwlch
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I have no skin in this game, but comparing HOF'ers lists seems to be getting a little desperate.
This is like saying the SEC had 10 ranked teams, a subjective score. So what. Of course they had no business being ranked, but that is a different thread.
Bradshaw had a mediocre career highlighted by great receivers making circus catches in the biggest games after bad throws. He is no better than Jeff George or Jay Cutler. And in your heart you know it is true.
There is no way of ever knowing who would win these mythical match ups.
60's Packers
70's Steelers
80's 49'ers
90's Cowboys
2000's Patriots
Plus there's the '72 Dolphins and the '85 Bears.
ESPN and others have done computer simulations and other things, but in the long run, there is no way of ever knowing.
So, using how many HOF'ers were on a team is about as good as any other method.
Obviously I think the '78 Steelers were the greatest Super Bowl team of all-time.
Others think the '89 49'ers, some think the '85 Bears, '92 Cowboys, etc.
Caledvwlch
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Yeah, but it's fun to speculate, isn't it?
That's ridiculous.
Bradshaw called all the plays himself. There was no headset in the helmets like today, nor did the team send in plays from the sideline for Bradshaw.
He was the #1 player taken in the draft, was a 2X Super Bowl MVP, 4X Super Bowl champion, 3X Pro Bowler, 1X First Team All-Pro, 1978 NFL MVP, 2X NFL passing TD leader, SI's Sportsman of the Year, and is in the College and NFL HOF.
The only thing Jeff George has in common with the above accomplishments of Bradshaw is that he was the #1 pick in the NFL Draft.
The only thing Jay Cutler has in common with the above accomplishments of Bradshaw is that he made one third the Pro Bowl's that Bradshaw did.
George and Cutler combined don't even come close to Bradshaw's accomplishments.
Yes it is, and I'll make my case that the '78 Steelers were the greatest ever.
Tet, it is a team sport.
For his career, Bradshaw completed 51% of his pass attempts which was 3910. That is actually below mediocre/average. He passed for 212 touchdowns and 210 interceptions. His yards per attempt is 5.8, and his yards per game is 166. He is by far the worst passer in the Hall of Fame. By far. Saying he was Jay Cutler was an insult to Cutler. His efficiency rating is 70.4.
Cutler has almost the same attempts at this point in his career so the comparison will be easier. It will also be weighted in Bradshaw's favor since he played in the dead ball era where players like Jack Tatum were allowed to bludgeon receivers.
3907 attempts 61.6% completion percentage and 27,974 yards. 184 touchdowns and 131 interceptions. Cutler has not played with Stallworth and Swann. Cutler is 7.2 yards per attempt as opposed to 5.8 for Bradshaw. He has also passed for 233 ypg for a rating of 85.0, or what Brady did through 2006 during the prime of his athleticism and before he started deflating footballs for better grip.
I picked Cutler because he is the proverbial underachiever. He is everything legends like Elway and Montana are not.
Of course you could say Fran Tarkenton played in the dead ball era. So did Dan Fouts, overlapping both eras.
The Steelers were a great team, in fact a dynasty. They won in football because football is one at the line of scrimmage. They didn't win because Bradshaw was under center. Bradshaw in that long career was only a 3 time pro-bowler and 1 time all-pro. Once. He has no business in the Hall of Fame when you look at what he actually did.
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Individual accomplishments:
2X Super Bowl MVP
3X Pro Bowler
1X First Team All Pro
1978 NFL MVP
2X NFL Passing TD Leader
#1 Player taken in draft.
SI's Sportsman of the year
You must have missed Cutler playing against the Packers yesterday. As expected, Cutler threw a late 4th quarter pick that cost his team the game.
Yesterday's pick against the Pack, makes Cutler's record against Green Bay 1-11 with 23 interceptions.
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And a great actor, and singer.
And a lot tougher than QB's today.
Back before the NFL became sissies, QB's used to literally get their teeth knocked out.
Caledvwlch
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Back before the NFL became sissies, QB's used to literally get their teeth knocked out.
Now they just get chronic brain damage.
And a lot tougher than QB's today.
Back before the NFL became sissies, QB's used to literally get their teeth knocked out.
Yeah, Bradshaw sounds happy when he discusses the effects multiple concussions are having on him these days.
Thanks for reposting what I posted. One time all pro. Once. Only 3 probowls. You can root for him all you want. The Steelers won despite his mediocre performance.
If memes are the only thing critics can use to chip away at #12's legacy I'd say it's pretty secure.:devil:
In fact, the one season where Brady had a player to the caliber of Stallworth or Swann, the Patriots topped the Dolphins by winning 18 straight. And making it look easy in the process. Right up to losing to Giants.lain:
...which I pointed out to you yesterday after you insisted a mysterious "switch" had been flipped right after 2006, implying deflated footballs had something to do with it.
It's a fun but pointless yardstick given not everyone who eventually makes the Hall is either on the same team or at the impact point of their careers.
The 78 Steelers fielded the 5th best offense and the 1st ranked defense.
The 89 Niners fielded the 1st ranked offense and 3rd ranked defense
The Steelers scored: 44 tds and gave up 27 ints
The Niners scored: 49 tds and gave up 11 ints
The Steelers managed 10 tds and 27 ints on defense
The Niners managed 15 tds and 21 ints on defense
Their playoff run saw the Steelers win by an average score of 34 - 15
Their playoff run saw the Niners win by an average score of 42 - 9
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