ECT Madists are closet Calvinists
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To the contrary, son, yer the fool!
No matter how you want to explain it, the fact still remains that some were once in the kingdom, and then they were out.
Israel was chosen/elected, but not all of those chosen/elected got to stay in the kingdom.
Obviously, being chosen/elected did not guarantee that all the chosen/elected would always remain in the kingdom.
Spin, from another actress, who joined his big, fat buddie Craigie, in his cute, little, "lack of confidence," girlie "man" games:
"Ha Ha
As a kid I remember the show 'big John little John'. I'm showing my age.
Didn't the father randomly turn into the kid and vice versa? LOL"-carrot top girlie "man" andyc
The important thing in this thread is that you are a bible corrector, not a bible believer, whose "doctrine" determines what the book is, and should say.
Wow! Wimpo Craigie spams his old reliable "Darby" stumper. Bored, getting picked apart again, are you, jobless one?
Nang
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Again, you convolute earthly Israel, and it's being an elect nation/kingdom, which functioned under the governance of earthly kings, with the Elect and spiritual Israel, Jesus Christ, who is King of all His elect and heavenly Kingdom.
The earthly was ordained by God as a type, that pointed to the new and better promises which would be fulfilled in Christ.
Yes, mayor, and Craigie, when his "argument" is picked apart, he either:
-slithers away, like the snake that he is, and comes back on, late at night, when his family is sleeping, since they banned his obsession during the day, and "posts" another one of his "one verse" "clinchers," thinking he has silenced us meanie "dispies," who hurt his feelings in the past, and "closes" it with another one of his "original" stumpers, "MAD can't answer..........," and thinks, "I showed those bullies a thing, or two !!!"
-spams his "Darby" "Hail Mary, being the closet Catholic that he is
He's an unemployed loser, obsessed punk, so much so, that he can't think straight, and continues his "ministry" of habitual lying, and being a Preterist cult member.
Andy C,
You are trying to make it sound like there are two kingdoms being mentioned. The kingdom of Israel, and a separate spiritual kingdom within that kingdom.
The verses do not speak of two kingdoms, only one.
The kingdom they were cast out of is the same kingdom that they were once in.
And no matter which kingdom (Israel or a spiritual) that you want to call it, the fact still remains they were in the same kingdom that they were kicked out of.
The same is implied with the branches of the olive tree being broken off.
They were part of that elect tree before they were cut off, but could also be grafted back in.
(In, then out, then in again.)
And those that were not part of the elect tree to begin with could also be grafted in, but where also in danger of being cut off.
(Out, then in, then out again.)
There you go, TOL audience, as she spams her "spiritual" contortions, back flips, cart wheels, cobwebs...........that would make Olga Korbett, Kathy Rigby...........envious.
Naggie: 1 Cor. 15:1-4 KJV-this earthly was ordained by God as a type, and fulfilled in us when we "repented of our sins," and we became "The New Covenant of Grace."
What else would you like to "prove," Ms PigPen?
Nang
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You are missing a fundamental fact here, which is quite shocking . . .
You are trying to claim the Christ was given, what He is in His Being.
The Christ of God is God. He is Light and never required being gifted with Light. He is Truth, and never required learning Truth. He is Love, and never required being given Love. He is Spirit, Wisdom, Goodness, Meek in His Being so had no need of being gifted with any of His attributes.
Jesus Christ was faithful, not because He was gifted with faith, but because in Himself He is Faithful God.
You are way off track on this one.
What you are claiming is an Arian belief...are you just now coming out of a closet on this primary Christian doctrine and denying the full Deity of Christ?
Again, the kingdom which they were cast out of is the same kingdom they were once a part of.
I mean, you can't be cast out of something you were not in to begin with.
So, were they in the spiritual kingdom, then kicked out?
Or were they in the physical kingdom, then kicked out?
Either way, they were in and then out.
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Yes he's prooftexting. Kind of like saying that Jesus is a loaf of bread because he claimed to be the bread of life. No regard for context whatsover.
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Why do you disagree with the scripture?
Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
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Nah. You are desperate.
Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
Nang
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Andy is correct.
Within the nation of Israel, there was a remnant of spiritually elect and regenerated believers which were promised the heavenly Kingdom of Messiah. It was a mix and eventually the unfaithful were cast away by God.
Just as within the visible churches, exist unsaved tares along with the spiritual remnant of true believers. This is signified in the example if the Olive Tree.
No elect, found by faith in Christ, can be lost or removed from His Kingdom. Only counterfeits and hypocrites will be pruned on Judgment Day and will not inherit everlasting life.
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Jesus, the man, was given to protect the Word Who conceived Him [first purposed for Adam to perform]. We, who are born again, are given to protect the same Word Who has conceived us by the new birth made available by Jesus' success in His mission. That is the reason it is stated that the Son of Man is coming again and not the Son of God. It was the "Adam" of Himself, the seed of the woman", that Jesus won the victory.
Nang
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Nah. You are very wrong.
Christ is Life. Was He given life?
You are treading the heretical path of Arianism.
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Why do you disagree with the scripture?
Originally Posted by SaulToPaul View Post
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
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Yes there was the physical kingdom (Israel), and the mystery of the kingdom of God (heaven) that Jesus spoke about in parables.
Tambora, I'm not a Calvinist, so I don't believe in unconditional election. There are other examples I could use against it, but the one you're using is a little weak.
Jesus explained that there would be people coming from all angles to take there place with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of God. And this was a statement concerning faith, after Jesus praised the faith of the Roman centurion. The subjects of the kingdom are Jews who are literal citizens of the physical nation of Israel through whom all the promises about messiah's kingdom were made.
The ones who ought to be inheriting the kingdom of God, because they belong to the nation that Jesus came through, didn't inherit it because faith is the key, and they didn't believe.
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