andyc
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You won't tell us what Abraham was promised which sets up the context in the Galatians passage.
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You won't tell us what Abraham was promised which sets up the context in the Galatians passage.
SaulToPaul 2
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There is something very wrong when your church SOF, creeds, and commentaries prevent you from believing very simple passages concerning the Christ.
Nang
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I only disagree with you and your interpretation of the scriptures.
SaulToPaul 2
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Here's the crux of the issue (you're changing the subject).
You deny this:
Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
You do not want him to be the seed of Abraham, to whom the promise was made. You do not want him to have received it, and by our faith in him, we share in it.
SaulToPaul 2
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There is nothing to interpret.
Who is the seed of Abraham? Yes, Christ.
Who was the promise made to? Yes, the seed.
Nang
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So you say, but you are ignorant of my church teachings. How can you judge against what you do not know?
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Forget this guy, huh? This [he] is stupid and strife ridden.
SaulToPaul 2
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saint john w: "Weighty. Thanks for weighing in and dazzling the audience."
Nang
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The "Seed" is in the singular, because Christ and His church are united as "one."
This does not mean Christ had to be given faith to believe the Father, or to obey His commands. He is Faithfulness and Holy in His Being and able to gift His elect with His very attributes.
SaulToPaul 2
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And to thy seed, which is Christ
Till the seed should come to whom the promise is made
Why won't you believe?
SaulToPaul 2
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If the scripture cannot be denied, you have to think of some way to discredit the person posting them, I suppose.
Clever.
Nang
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First sentence refers to Christ.
Second sentence refers to the church, which receive the promise of faith, being chosen for redemption, IN HIM.
You are way off track with this, and messing around with the doctrine of Christ's Deity.
"The earthly was ordained by God as a type, that pointed to the new and better promises which would be fulfilled in Christ."-PigPen Naggie
PigPen Naggie: In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.....
...means that the earthly was ordained as a type, that pointed to the new and better promises which would be fulfilled in Christ, as you cannot take it literally.
Isaiah 2:3 KJV
And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
Micah 4:2 KJV
And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
.....means that the earthly was ordained as a type, that pointed to the new and better promises which would be fulfilled in Christ, as you cannot take it literally, as "people...nations...Jerusalem" above, is fulfilled when church goers go to church, which is Jerusalem now, and "the law..the word," means our "the church" Statement of Faith(SOF), you see, well, uh, urr........
What else what you like to "prove," Ms PigPen Naggie?
Let me guess: Bah...Gag...You misinterpreted it........
Cricket. Cricket.
andyc
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Ok, this is what STP is denying.
Abraham was given a promise that he would be a father of many nations. The promise was to him and his seed. The promise was that he be a father of many nations according to a covenant based on righteousness by faith. Now, how do the gentiles who are not sons of Abraham, become sons of Abraham? How is this achieved?
This is where poor ole STP and his MAD buddies are scratching their heads trying to figure out.
Abraham would be the one birthing Isaac through his own seed, but his his faith set in motion a promise of supernatural/spiritual seed who is Christ coming from his line, and this would lead to the birth of spiritual children for Abraham. Children of faith.
The original covenant nullifies the covenant of works, because the original covenant couldn't be put into effect until the one through whom the promise would be instigated came.
So now we have believers like Abraham who are justified by faith, and through Spiritual birth are joined to Christ (Abraham's son according to the flesh), and so through him we are now spiritually related to Abraham.
Galatians 3:29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham‘s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
So simple.
Abraham was given a promise that he would be a father of many nations. The promise was to him and his seed. The promise was that he be a father of many nations according to a covenant based on righteousness by faith. Now, how do the gentiles who are not sons of Abraham, become sons of Abraham? How is this achieved?
This is where poor ole STP and his MAD buddies are scratching their heads trying to figure out.
Abraham would be the one birthing Isaac through his own seed, but his his faith set in motion a promise of supernatural/spiritual seed who is Christ coming from his line, and this would lead to the birth of spiritual children for Abraham. Children of faith.
The original covenant nullifies the covenant of works, because the original covenant couldn't be put into effect until the one through whom the promise would be instigated came.
So now we have believers like Abraham who are justified by faith, and through Spiritual birth are joined to Christ (Abraham's son according to the flesh), and so through him we are now spiritually related to Abraham.
Galatians 3:29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham‘s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
So simple.
Nang
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This scripture is not being denied, but rather understood, except by the MADists.
What does that tell all of us?
SaulToPaul 2
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Made up, as you believe the church existed even before the law.
Galatians 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
How long will you fight the scripture?
SaulToPaul 2
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Who was the seed?
Who was the promise made to?
Yes, very simple.
Why can't you believe? Ask the LORD to help thy unbelief.
andyc
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It's not changing the subject if we're trying to determine the context.
By not wanting to look at the context, you are prooftexting. Lifting statements out of context.
SaulToPaul 2
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You haven't needed any help in doing that, Clever.
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