ECT MADist thought for the day

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Nang

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andyc said:
john doesn't enter into debate.
He simply quotes people out of context, calls them names, and copy and pates from other websites.
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He clowns his way through biblical discussion, and causes confusion to cover his own confusion.

Sadly, his clowning endears him to persons, and they tend to giggle at him, instead of insisting he shape up, get serious, and study intently to actually see the full light of truth revealed in God's word.

John and STP are stuck in a religious mire, and they think by trying to sell the darkness that has deceived them, they can justify their errors.

So, in their thinking, the confusion must be perpetuated.

Only decent and serious study of God's written word, can rescue them from this trap they have dug for themselves.
 
SaulToPaul 2

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Nang said:
John and STP are stuck in a religious mire,
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We are the probably the least religious people at TOL.

You don't know what you're talking about. We believe God's word is inerrant and believe it means EXACTLY what it says.

And, I know you hate that, being a religious elitist.
 
andyc

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Nang said:
He clowns his way through biblical discussion, and causes confusion to cover his own confusion.

Sadly, his clowning endears him to persons, and they tend to giggle at him, instead of insisting he shape up, get serious, and study intently to actually see the full light of truth revealed in God's word.

John and STP are stuck in a religious mire, and they think by trying to sell the darkness that has deceived them, they can justify their errors.

So, in their thinking, the confusion must be perpetuated.

Only decent and serious study of God's written word, can rescue them from this trap they have dug for themselves.
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yep

They are gnostics.
 
Nang

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SaulToPaul said:
Acts 3:19-21 (KJV)
Col 2:13-14 (KJV)

After carefully comparing these, do they say the exact same thing?
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Acts 3:19-21 exemplifies the gospel message that is to be preached indiscriminately to all men.

Colossians 2:13-14 is the foundational truth of the gospel message, which will produce faith in whom God wills.

There is no conflict between the two verses.

The reason you see conflict, is because you think faith comes by sinners deciding to believe the gospel preached, without factoring in that it is God who chooses who will believe the gospel or not. (See John 12:37-41)

You consider man to be sovereign over the gospel message, but Colossians 2:13-14 declares Jesus Christ sovereign over the gospel message for it reveals God regenerates sinners from death to life (from darkness to light) prior to their exhibiting saving faith.
 
SaulToPaul 2

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andyc said:
John keeps avoiding it.
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john w said:
I wrote:


Repent simply means to change your mind. The context, i.e., when, the issue, who addressed ....determines from what you are repenting, which you refuse to accept-the LORD God repented.As stated, as pertaining to salvation/justification in this dispensation, it is changing your mind about your ability to be justified by your works, your commitment, your "faith", your................., by recognizing your guilt, your "coming short"(Romans 3:19, 23 JV), admitting it, and thus being convicted/persuaded of your dire, hopeless condition in affecting your justification, and, instead, that trusting the objective cross work of the Saviour, and His commitment, His faith, not your subjective feelings, your subjective "commitment", your subjective "genuine" faith, not your "cleaning up your act....stop sinning..........".....as a pre-requisite to justification. That is religion, and the LORD God will reject it, and you, because you have rejected the sacrifice of the Saviour alone's cross work, and resurrection, as your grounds. The LORD God does not convict a lost man in order that they will want to "live for Him", i.e., commitment.........; He convicts them so they change their mind about relying on themselves, and see/recognize their need to beieve on the Son.

Repentance, as pertaining to justification(again, the context, to whom, when.....) is not a change of mind about whether or not to "love sin", or whether or not to "stop committing sin", but a change of mind/attitude about what is the LORD God's solution for the sin issue-the d,b.r alone.
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SaulToPaul 2

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Nang said:
Acts 3:19-21 exemplifies the gospel message that is to be preached indiscriminately to all men.

Colossians 2:13-14 is the foundational truth of the gospel message, which will produce faith in whom God wills.

There is no conflict between the two verses.
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When are sins blotted out according to the first passage?

When were sins blotted out according to the second passage?



You are either being dishonest, or do not believe the passages. No other option.
 
Nang

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Repentance is granted to sinful Jews and Gentiles from God, just as surely as faith to believe the gospel promises of the Christ is a gift of God's grace.

II Timothy 2:25
Acts 3:6, 5:31, 11:18

Repentance and faith are evidence of regeneration, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. If there is no faith, and there is no repentance, there is no Holy Spirit sanctifying the soul. Romans 8:9
 
andyc

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He's not describing repentance from sin.
Mads do not believe that those in the boc have to repent of sin, but they do believe that the kingdom slaves have to repent of sin.

So explain what it means to repent of sin.

This is what John is avoiding.
 
andyc

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Nang said:
Repentance is granted to sinful Jews and Gentiles from God, just as surely as faith to believe the gospel promises of the Christ is a gift of God's grace.

II Timothy 2:25
Acts 3:6, 5:31, 11:18

Repentance and faith are evidence of regeneration, and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. If there is no faith, and there is no repentance, there is no Holy Spirit sanctifying the soul. Romans 8:9
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If the mads can remove repentance completely, they will never have to feel guilty about anything. Instead of having a sense of shame when they know they have messed up, they glorify Christ and regard themselves as weak in the natural, as an excuse to justify themselves.
 
john w

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andyc said:
Completely incoherent post that is a mishmash of quotes out of context and your usual rhubarb.

Learn to use the quote button. I'm beginning to see why you don't work.
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Your "context:"

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"Repentance means to turn from sin... We have to turn from our evil deeds in order to receive salvation…Before God justifies us, we have to choose to repent and commit ourselves to him...Notice that the gentiles Paul preached to, had to turn from sin in order to be forgiven?... When we turn from our self-ruled life and turn to Jesus in faith, we are saved….What these guys are saying is that we are saved through believing only….Knowledge doesn't save you, faith that is initiated by turning from sin does"-andycain


Translated:The old reliable "out of context" crafty dismissal.

I quoted you-face you, perverter.
 
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