Well, I'm almost certain the earth will continue to go on with or without your opinion being the center of it.
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Well, I'm almost certain the earth will continue to go on with or without your opinion being the center of it.
Is that what RD said? I think you're putting words in his mouth and that's unsanitary.
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And YET, Paul speaks of justification in the present and past tenses.
Rom 5:1-2 (AKJV/PCE)
(5:1) Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: (5:2) By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 5:9 (AKJV/PCE)
(5:9) Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
I think that you need to new "story".
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I'm in agreement with you on present and past. That's why I said 'also.' The question of the previous thread was why the future tense would be used. Justification is huge, with past, present and future dimensions.
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So it's OK that Peter and Paul taught something different in regard to justification with God?
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They did not. I don't see where Peter wanted to be much different, and thus he wrote the line in 2 Peter 3. The ignorant and unstable distort it--that's Peter saying that. That's all you need to know.
Acts 2, 3 and 13's sermons are deeply unified. Unless you believe in 2P2P which distorts everything like a Picasso painting--fragments and fractures.
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Peter wanted? What in the world does that mean?
One preached a future salvation for Israel and one preached a present salvation for individuals and you say those are both the same?
In Acts 2&3 Peter was preaching to Israel. He said so clearly.
Acts 2:36 (AKJV/PCE)
(2:36) Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Is the "whom ye have crucified", Peter "preaching the cross" as "good news"?
Regarding Paul in Acts 13:
Acts 13:14-17 (AKJV/PCE)
(13:14) ¶ But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down. (13:15) And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, [Ye] men [and] brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on. (13:16) Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with [his] hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience. (13:17) The God of this people of Israel chose our fathers, and exalted the people when they dwelt as strangers in the land of Egypt, and with an high arm brought he them out of it.
So gee boy golly, Paul preaching to MEN OF ISRAEL was like Peter preaching to the HOUSE OF ISRAEL.... you don't say.
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OK
Acts 10:1-2 (AKJV/PCE)
(10:1) There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian [band], (10:2) [A] devout [man], and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
There are also examples from the OT.
Was there an actual point that you wanted to bring up or were you just showing me how really smart that you think that you are?
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:rotfl: That has nothing to do with the fact that you claim Mark 16:17-18 KJV and can't do any of it. You are a charlatan!
heir
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God will save anyone, anywhere no matter what they were doing while they were there when they trust the Lord believing the gospel of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV), the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth (Romans 1:16 KJV).
Believing what the Bible says about itself (Psalms 12:6-7 KJV, Psalms 138:2 KJV, Proverbs 30:5 KJV, 2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV) does not a cult make.
People today perish for this reason 2 Thessalonians 2:10 KJV and no other.
heir
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No, they don't and neither do you
heir
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He declared it as the gospel "by which also ye are saved".
1 Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
Sometimes I wonder what is the point in attempting to point anything out to some of you.
No matter how worded, you right off conclude one is attempting to outdo you.
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At Pentecost (A Jewish Holy day), Peter preached a murder indictment to all the house of Israel (Acts 2:22-23 KJV, Acts 2:36 KJV), that they had murdered their Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ, but that God hath raised Him up!
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
Acts 2:23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
Acts 2:24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
Acts 2:25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
Acts 2:26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
Acts 2:28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
Acts 2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
Acts 2:30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
Acts 2:32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Acts 2:35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Notice, their reaction!
Acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Peter told them what they must do for the remission of sins. They must REPENT (change their mind) about WHO Jesus Christ was and be identified (baptized) in water for the remission of sins.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
He did NOT preach Paul's gospel. Paul's gospel was a mystery at that time Romans 16:25-27 KJV, 1 Corinthians 2:6-8 KJV and since when does Paul tell us to DO anything to be saved?
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He's a wannabe Pentecostal, yes.
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:AMR:
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I see you doing that. GM glories in the cross which is more than I can say for you. You lose eternally.
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Feel free to crawl back under the rock you've been hiding under.
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