ECT "Lordship 'Salvation'"-perverting the gospel of Christ

[God's Truth]

I'm not sure you can prove that.

You do not believe that Jesus is the circumcision? You do not believe that Jesus circumcises our hearts, and the physical circumcision is worthless?

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

You do not believe that Jesus is the circumcision? You do not believe that Jesus circumcises our hearts, and the physical circumcision is worthless?

I believe Col 2 which states that Christ was circumcised when he died.
I do not believe you can prove that Christ IS the circumcision.

Not quite sure what that even means...

 

[God's Truth]

Quite frankly, I don't give a crap about Calvin. He was wrong about a great many things and I am NOT even in the SLIGHTEST a "Calvinist".

I am speaking about considering, and using a measure of how much you want the TRUTH.

I love this scripture:

Mark 4:24 "Consider carefully what you hear," he continued. "With the measure you use, it will be measured to you--and even more.

 

[God's Truth]

I believe Col 2 which states that Christ was circumcised when he died.
I do not believe you can prove that Christ IS the circumcision.

Not quite sure what that even means...

Christ circumcises our hearts. That happens when we receive the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit who is given, to live in our heart.

 

[lifeisgood]

Where does it say he was disobedient? . . .at anytime you believe he was?? Stick to the scriptures not your interpretation.

He did produce Ishmael, did he not?

How was Ishmael produced? Abraham listened to Sarah, instead of wait on God's fulfilling the promise.

When God spoke to Abraham about God's Promise did God include "Abraham listen to Sara and go get Hagar"? I don't think so.

Therefore Abraham was disobedient to God's instructions.

Now, you don't have to agree with my understanding either.

 

[Right Divider]

You have peace because you only have faith without obedience?

Have you deceived yourself?
James 1:16 Don't be deceived, my dear brothers and sisters.
Galatians 6:7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.

1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men

I am not deceived. I have peace with God.

You are obsessed with YOURSELF and THAT is NOT obedience to God.

 

[Right Divider]

I am speaking about considering, and using a measure of how much you want the TRUTH.

I love this scripture:

Mark 4:24 "Consider carefully what you hear," he continued. "With the measure you use, it will be measured to you--and even more.

Once again, clueless as to CONTEXT.

 

[lifeisgood]

Abraham believed AND OBEYED. You cannot get around that.

Genesis 15:6 where God imputed God's righteousness to Abraham comes BEFORE Genesis 26:4-5 you CANNOT get around that.

Abraham's faith was TESTED.

Yes, it was, and greatly tested.

Tell me how was Abraham's faith tested?

He BELIEVED God and somehow BELIEVED that there was the need for a sacrifice, which was God's promise, which was Isaac, and Abraham BELIEVED that even if God's promise was sacrificed somehow God's promise, Isaac, was going to be resurrected.

Jesus talked about how He told Abraham all about it and Abraham rejoiced.

Talk about faith being tested.

 

[ClimateSanity]

?

Jesus was under the law. Joseph assuredly had him circumcised on the eighth day.

 

[lifeisgood]

I asked you plainly, clearly, if you obey any of Jesus' teachings.

You said you obeyed NOTHING.

Oh, you, subtil one.

The CONTEXT, which you so subtlety skirted, is/was SALVATION.

TO BE SAVED, I, lifeisgood, did ABSOLUTELY NOTHING for SALVATION is ALL OF GOD and nothing of us.

You, subtil one, are OBEYING ALL of what Jesus said, 'oh, but, I, gt, cannot obey that one; well, that other either; that one either, I, gt, cannot obey either that one', but I, gt, am OBEYING all Jesus said.

 

[lifeisgood]

Christ circumcises our hearts. That happens when we receive the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit who is given, to live in our heart.

Christ is the circumciser of our hearts.
Christ is not the circumcision.
Christ circumcises our hearts.

Christ does the doing in our hearts.

 

[lifeisgood]

Jesus was under the law. Joseph assuredly had him circumcised on the eighth day.

That is not what STP is talking about.

 

[ClimateSanity]

I always thought circumcision was a picture of the removal/death of the flesh.

Circumcision was God commanded way of being in Covenant relationshp with him. It was not a choice

 

[lifeisgood]

Once again, clueless as to CONTEXT.

Sometimes I wonder if she even cares about the context.

 

[SaulToPaul 2]

Circumcision was God commanded way of being in Covenant relationship with him it was not a choice

yes sir...I agree
I also think it pictured the cutting off of the flesh in death, and pointed to unnatural birth (resurrection)

 

[ClimateSanity]

That is not what STP is talking about.

I know that. I was actually trying to make a point to someone else by responding to his post.

 

[lifeisgood]

NO. NOT before he did ANYTHING. Before he was CIRCUMCISED!!! Circumcision is a work symbolizing the old law.

Like it or not, gt, Gen 15:4-6 still comes BEFORE Genesis 26:4-5 and BEFORE Rom 4:1-7 and you cannot get around that.

 

[Right Divider]

Circumcision was symbolic off something, and it was physical.

Very funny. :think:

 

[Cross Reference]

Christ circumcises our hearts. That happens when we receive the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit who is given, to live in our heart.

We are to circumcize our own hearts. Put off the flesh, remember? . . No, I guess not.

 

[God's Truth]

We are to circumcize our own hearts. Put off the flesh, remember? . . No, I guess not.

Jesus circumcises our hearts and we circumcise our hearts. It goes both ways. Remember?