Jesus is God.
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Prizebeatz1
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The soul is not mysticism. It is reality. If anything it is the literal translation that is the real mysticism.
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Please start a new thread with your "soul theory".
The apostles also doubted until they saw Jesus again.
Ben Masada
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Who said that, the Apostles or the guys who wrote the gospels? For numerous reasons, no Jew took part in the writings of the NT.
Prizebeatz1
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Jesus is God.
I think about the doubting Thomas and how Jesus gave him the opportunity to feel Him. I think that points to our own opportunity to feel the true self-worth, self-esteem and value that come from our own inner divinity. That feeling is what makes it all real. It is everlasting and always expanding outward along with the rapidly expanding universe. Remember when scientists figured out the universe is expanding faster and faster? We are one with that and the feeling of value and richness is growing with it. Seriously, it is not a joke.
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I think about the doubting Thomas and how Jesus gave him the opportunity to feel Him. I think that points to our own opportunity to feel the true self-worth, self-esteem and value that come from our own inner divinity. That feeling is what makes it all real. It is everlasting and always expanding outward along with the rapidly expanding universe. Remember when scientists figured out the universe is expanding faster and faster? We are one with that and the feeling of value and richness is growing with it. Seriously, it is not a joke.
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Ben Masada
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So, Jesus gave Thomas the opportunity to touch him! It means that Jesus had a body to touch. Therefore, Jesus could not have been God. He once identified God as being a Spirit. Spirits don't have a body. (John 4:24) So, besides his death, Jesus had a body after his death on the cross. It means that he was not God.
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Jesus it not exist until he was born as a man. However the spirit in him did. You don't seem able to separate the two. The spirit spoke through the man Jesus.
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Jesus is God.
A couple verses in the book of John are used to dismiss Jesus's Deity....
And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form (John 5:37).
No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. (John 6:46)
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But when coupled with Gods words of the OT, it is the same exact God saying the same exact things.
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Then the LORD came down in the cloud, and spoke to him, and took of the Spirit that was upon him, and placed the same upon the seventy elders; and it happened, when the Spirit rested upon them, that they prophesied, although they never did so again (Num. 11:25).
Did any people ever hear the voice of God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as you have heard, and live? (Dt. 4:33)
And you said: Surely the LORD our God has shown us His glory and His greatness, and we have heard His voice from the midst of the fire. We have seen this day that God speaks with man; yet he still lives. Now therefore, why should we die? For this great fire will consume us; if we hear the voice of the LORD our God anymore, then we shall die. For who is there of all flesh who has heard the voice of the living God speaking from the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived? (Dt. 5:24-26)
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In other words, Jesus is saying that those who don't recognize Him as OF the Father... YHWH... I.e. Is YHWH with us... (Emanuel)...... They just don't see Him...
In other words, having eyes they have not seen.
According to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die (Dt. 18:16).
A couple verses in the book of John are used to dismiss Jesus's Deity....
And the Father Himself, who sent Me, has testified of Me. You have neither heard His voice at any time, nor seen His form (John 5:37).
No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father. (John 6:46)
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But when coupled with Gods words of the OT, it is the same exact God saying the same exact things.
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Then the LORD came down in the cloud, and spoke to him, and took of the Spirit that was upon him, and placed the same upon the seventy elders; and it happened, when the Spirit rested upon them, that they prophesied, although they never did so again (Num. 11:25).
Did any people ever hear the voice of God speaking out of the midst of the fire, as you have heard, and live? (Dt. 4:33)
And you said: Surely the LORD our God has shown us His glory and His greatness, and we have heard His voice from the midst of the fire. We have seen this day that God speaks with man; yet he still lives. Now therefore, why should we die? For this great fire will consume us; if we hear the voice of the LORD our God anymore, then we shall die. For who is there of all flesh who has heard the voice of the living God speaking from the midst of the fire, as we have, and lived? (Dt. 5:24-26)
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In other words, Jesus is saying that those who don't recognize Him as OF the Father... YHWH... I.e. Is YHWH with us... (Emanuel)...... They just don't see Him...
In other words, having eyes they have not seen.
According to all you desired of the LORD your God in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die (Dt. 18:16).
Jesus is God.
Ben,
To be specific...
Read all of John 5 in context.. Pay attention to vs 37 in context... Do you see who Jesus was talking to and what He is saying? Do you see that once He heals the paralytic man, the man sees who He is?
John 5Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
The Third Sign: Healing the Sick
5 After this, a Jewish festival took place, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 2 By the Sheep Gate in Jerusalem there is a pool, called Bethesda[a] in Hebrew, which has five colonnades. 3 Within these lay a large number of the sick—blind, lame, and paralyzed [—waiting for the moving of the water, 4 because an angel would go down into the pool from time to time and stir up the water. Then the first one who got in after the water was stirred up recovered from whatever ailment he had].[c]
5 One man was there who had been sick for 38 years. 6 When Jesus saw him lying there and knew he had already been there a long time, He said to him, “Do you want to get well?”
7 “Sir,” the sick man answered, “I don’t have a man to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up, but while I’m coming, someone goes down ahead of me.”
8 “Get up,” Jesus told him, “pick up your mat and walk!” 9 Instantly the man got well, picked up his mat, and started to walk.
Now that day was the Sabbath, 10 so the Jews said to the man who had been healed, “This is the Sabbath! It’s illegal for you to pick up your mat.”
11 He replied, “The man who made me well told me, ‘Pick up your mat and walk.’”
12 “Who is this man who told you, ‘Pick up your mat and walk’?” they asked. 13 But the man who was cured did not know who it was, because Jesus had slipped away into the crowd that was there.[d]
14 After this, Jesus found him in the temple complex and said to him, “See, you are well. Do not sin anymore, so that something worse doesn’t happen to you.” 15 The man went and reported to the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.
Honoring the Father and the Son
16 Therefore, the Jews began persecuting Jesus[e] because He was doing these things on the Sabbath. 17 But Jesus responded to them, “My Father is still working, and I am working also.” 18 This is why the Jews began trying all the more to kill Him: Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.
19 Then Jesus replied, “I assure you: The Son is not able to do anything on His own, but only what He sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father[f] does, the Son also does these things in the same way. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows Him everything He is doing, and He will show Him greater works than these so that you will be amazed. 21 And just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so the Son also gives life to anyone He wants to. 22 The Father, in fact, judges no one but has given all judgment to the Son, 23 so that all people will honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
Life and Judgment
24 “I assure you: Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life.
25 “I assure you: An hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted to the Son to have life in Himself. 27 And He has granted Him the right to pass judgment, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not be amazed at this, because a time is coming when all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come out—those who have done good things, to the resurrection of life, but those who have done wicked things, to the resurrection of judgment.
30 “I can do nothing on My own. I judge only as I hear, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
Four Witnesses to Jesus
31 “If I testify about Myself, My testimony is not valid.[g] 32 There is Another who testifies about Me, and I know that the testimony He gives about Me is valid.[h] 33 You have sent messengers to John, and he has testified to the truth. 34 I don’t receive man’s testimony, but I say these things so that you may be saved. 35 John was a burning and shining lamp, and for a time you were willing to enjoy his light.
36 “But I have a greater testimony than John’s because of the works that the Father has given Me to accomplish. These very works I am doing testify about Me that the Father has sent Me. 37 The Father who sent Me has Himself testified about Me. You have not heard His voice at any time, and you haven’t seen His form. 38 You don’t have His word living in you, because you don’t believe the One He sent. 39 You pore over[j] the Scriptures because you think you have eternal life in them, yet they testify about Me. 40 And you are not willing to come to Me so that you may have life.
41 “I do not accept glory from men, 42 but I know you—that you have no love for God within you. 43 I have come in My Father’s name, yet you don’t accept Me. If someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. 44 How can you believe? While accepting glory from one another, you don’t seek the glory that comes from the only God. 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom you have set your hope. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, because he wrote about Me. 47 But if you don’t believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
Footnotes:
Ben,
To be specific...
Read all of John 5 in context.. Pay attention to vs 37 in context... Do you see who Jesus was talking to and what He is saying? Do you see that once He heals the paralytic man, the man sees who He is?
John 5Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)
The Third Sign: Healing the Sick
5 After this, a Jewish festival took place, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 2 By the Sheep Gate in Jerusalem there is a pool, called Bethesda[a] in Hebrew, which has five colonnades. 3 Within these lay a large number of the sick—blind, lame, and paralyzed [—waiting for the moving of the water, 4 because an angel would go down into the pool from time to time and stir up the water. Then the first one who got in after the water was stirred up recovered from whatever ailment he had].[c]
5 One man was there who had been sick for 38 years. 6 When Jesus saw him lying there and knew he had already been there a long time, He said to him, “Do you want to get well?”
7 “Sir,” the sick man answered, “I don’t have a man to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up, but while I’m coming, someone goes down ahead of me.”
8 “Get up,” Jesus told him, “pick up your mat and walk!” 9 Instantly the man got well, picked up his mat, and started to walk.
Now that day was the Sabbath, 10 so the Jews said to the man who had been healed, “This is the Sabbath! It’s illegal for you to pick up your mat.”
11 He replied, “The man who made me well told me, ‘Pick up your mat and walk.’”
12 “Who is this man who told you, ‘Pick up your mat and walk’?” they asked. 13 But the man who was cured did not know who it was, because Jesus had slipped away into the crowd that was there.[d]
14 After this, Jesus found him in the temple complex and said to him, “See, you are well. Do not sin anymore, so that something worse doesn’t happen to you.” 15 The man went and reported to the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well.
Honoring the Father and the Son
16 Therefore, the Jews began persecuting Jesus[e] because He was doing these things on the Sabbath. 17 But Jesus responded to them, “My Father is still working, and I am working also.” 18 This is why the Jews began trying all the more to kill Him: Not only was He breaking the Sabbath, but He was even calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.
19 Then Jesus replied, “I assure you: The Son is not able to do anything on His own, but only what He sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father[f] does, the Son also does these things in the same way. 20 For the Father loves the Son and shows Him everything He is doing, and He will show Him greater works than these so that you will be amazed. 21 And just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so the Son also gives life to anyone He wants to. 22 The Father, in fact, judges no one but has given all judgment to the Son, 23 so that all people will honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Anyone who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.
Life and Judgment
24 “I assure you: Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life.
25 “I assure you: An hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in Himself, so also He has granted to the Son to have life in Himself. 27 And He has granted Him the right to pass judgment, because He is the Son of Man. 28 Do not be amazed at this, because a time is coming when all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come out—those who have done good things, to the resurrection of life, but those who have done wicked things, to the resurrection of judgment.
30 “I can do nothing on My own. I judge only as I hear, and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
Four Witnesses to Jesus
31 “If I testify about Myself, My testimony is not valid.[g] 32 There is Another who testifies about Me, and I know that the testimony He gives about Me is valid.[h] 33 You have sent messengers to John, and he has testified to the truth. 34 I don’t receive man’s testimony, but I say these things so that you may be saved. 35 John was a burning and shining lamp, and for a time you were willing to enjoy his light.
36 “But I have a greater testimony than John’s because of the works that the Father has given Me to accomplish. These very works I am doing testify about Me that the Father has sent Me. 37 The Father who sent Me has Himself testified about Me. You have not heard His voice at any time, and you haven’t seen His form. 38 You don’t have His word living in you, because you don’t believe the One He sent. 39 You pore over[j] the Scriptures because you think you have eternal life in them, yet they testify about Me. 40 And you are not willing to come to Me so that you may have life.
41 “I do not accept glory from men, 42 but I know you—that you have no love for God within you. 43 I have come in My Father’s name, yet you don’t accept Me. If someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. 44 How can you believe? While accepting glory from one another, you don’t seek the glory that comes from the only God. 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom you have set your hope. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, because he wrote about Me. 47 But if you don’t believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”
Footnotes:
Ben... Will you do one thing in study please?
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I see that you're getting ever more bold in your blaspheme.
ClimateSanity
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He is confusing the influence of the divinity of God in his creation with the possession of Divinity itself.
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Indeed he is and that's a form of blaspheme.
ClimateSanity
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They were a Jewish sect. No jew of the Pharisees or Sadducees sect and mindset would ever write the NT. Some Jews departed from the religion as it was practiced in that day. They were called "the way".
Ben Masada
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Some people have heard God's voice and seen His face no doubt but through visions and dreams. Even Moses, the greatest of the Prophets who asked to see the "Glory" of the Lord was denied with the statement that no one could see Him and live. (Exodus 33:18-20) By the way, the Lord Almighty made it very clear that, if there is a prophet among you, I'll reveal Myself unto him (or her) in a vision or in a dream. (Numbers 12:6)Face-to-Face it was impossible because HaShem could not be compared absolutely to any thing at all. (Isa. 46:5)
Prizebeatz1
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We refuse our own infinite and eternal divinity because we can't quit biting of the forbidden fruit. This is ultimately self-hatred and self-destruction.
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Utter nonsense as per your usual.
You've yet to provide even the tiniest bit of actual evidence/support for your story.
P.S. You are not God.
Prizebeatz1
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Jesus is God.
What evidence is needed other than to look deeply into our own subconscious? The self-hatred is disguised. It manifests in the premise that we need Jesus to save us for example. The underlying belief is that we are worthless. We automatically judge ourselves for not being good enough, being imperfect. We devise schemes to eradicate these feelings that carry harsh, often violent attitudes. These energies are aimed at overcompensating for feelings of weakness. The destructive effects are subliminal and the enemy stands in the background slowly turning up the temperature so as not to call attention to itself and blow it's cover. The madness snowballs but no one really knows what's wrong. This is not of God but of the adversary who gets us to do its work by pretending to be us. It is a mistaken identity disguised as an angel of light.
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What evidence is needed other than to look deeply into our own subconscious? The self-hatred is disguised. It manifests in the premise that we need Jesus to save us for example. The underlying belief is that we are worthless. We automatically judge ourselves for not being good enough, being imperfect. We devise schemes to eradicate these feelings that carry harsh, often violent attitudes. These energies are aimed at overcompensating for feelings of weakness. The destructive effects are subliminal and the enemy stands in the background slowly turning up the temperature so as not to call attention to itself and blow it's cover. The madness snowballs but no one really knows what's wrong. This is not of God but of the adversary who gets us to do its work by pretending to be us. It is a mistaken identity disguised as an angel of light.
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