Jesus is God

[keypurr]

That is blasphemy. He is Almighty God!

READ YOUR BIBLE.

Col 1:15, HE IS FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATURES.
Heb 1:3, HE IS HE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS FATHER.

ALL IMAGES ARE CREATIONS. ALL IMAGES ARE CREATED.

THE SON OF GOD IS A CREATION/CREATURE.

YOU CAN NOT PICK AND CHOOSE THE VERSES YOU ONLY WANT TO ACCEPT.

There is only one true God, the Father of Jesus Christ. John 17:3.

Time to awaken to truth BR.


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[keypurr]

If Jesus is not God, how does he live in thousand upon thousand of humans?

It is not Jesus that live in people, it is Christ (logos). Logos is a spirit.


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[keypurr]

Well, you're wrong.

His name is called the word of God.

Revelation 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Open your mind my friend because truth is knocking at your door.


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[Bright Raven]

READ YOUR BIBLE.

Col 1:15, HE IS FIRSTBORN OF ALL CREATURES.
Heb 1:3, HE IS HE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS FATHER.

ALL IMAGES ARE CREATIONS. ALL IMAGES ARE CREATED.

THE SON OF GOD IS A CREATION/CREATURE.

YOU CAN NOT PICK AND CHOOSE THE VERSES YOU ONLY WANT TO ACCEPT.

There is only one true God, the Father of Jesus Christ. John 17:3.

Time to awaken to truth BR.


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Just time to awaken!!! Firstborn is positional, nothing else. He is not the firstborn creature.

 

[Bright Raven]

The WORD is not Jesus BR, the Logos is the spirit that went into Jesus and spoke through him. A man did not create the Universe, YHWH did through his logos. (Spirit Son, express image)


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So says you. Jesus is the Word who became flesh. John 1:14

 

[Bright Raven]

Again, that speaks of the Torah. Prove me wrong. Better yet, prove to me that it speaks of Jesus when he clearly tells you that the Logos is not him and not his own, (right in the same Gospel).

Clarify.

 

[Bright Raven]

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

You are as confused as Keypurr.

 

[daqq]

Clarify.

Well, for instance, prove your previous statement is true from scripture:

So says you. Jesus is the Word who became flesh. John 1:14

There is no evidence that "Jesus is the Word who became flesh", no, but that is rather only your assumption. There is no clear passage that tells us the "Word is Jesus" and yet there are other passages in the Gospel of John where Jesus says that he is not the Logos-Word.

John 12:47-49 KJV
47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

But you already know these things because you were here, and you denied the Testimony of Messiah in that thread, (just before you and your friends got it shut down because you could not refute the Testimony of the Master).

John 12:47-48
47. And if anyone hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but that the world might be delivered.
48. He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the LOGOS-WORD that I have spoken, THAT ONE [G1565 εκεινος] shall judge him in the last day [Rev 19:11-16].

John 14:24
24. He that loves me not, keeps not my sayings: and the LOGOS-WORD which you hear is not of me, but of the Father who sent me.

 

[God's Truth]

It is not Jesus that live in people, it is Christ (logos). Logos is a spirit.


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We ALL have our own spirit.

Jesus says that HE HIMSELF will live in the saved.

Now try to answer the question.

 

[keypurr]

Just time to awaken!!! Firstborn is positional, nothing else. He is not the firstborn creature.

OH YES HE IS.

The Bible says he is a creature. Creatures are created. They are not God. You just can not discard the stuff you have been taught all you life. Its not an easy thing to do.

All things were created THROUGH Christ (logos). That means that Christ (not Jesus) is the first born of all creatures/Creation. He is also the greatest of all creatures for he has been given the power of his Father.

YHWH, the Father is the only true God.
Your Lord Jesus Christ told you that.
Don't listen to me, listen to him.


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[keypurr]

You are as confused as Keypurr.

Not any more my brother, not any more. I have the truth.


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[Bright Raven]

OH YES HE IS.

The Bible says he is a creature. Creatures are created. They are not God. You just can not discard the stuff you have been taught all you life. Its not an easy thing to do.

All things were created THROUGH Christ (logos). That means that Christ (not Jesus) is the first born of all creatures/Creation. He is also the greatest of all creatures for he has been given the power of his Father.

YHWH, the Father is the only true God.
Your Lord Jesus Christ told you that.
Don't listen to me, listen to him.


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You really are confused. Jesus and the Christ are synonymous.

 

[keypurr]

Jesus is God

You really are confused. Jesus and the Christ are synonymous.

Nope, not completly. Jesus was born to Mary as a human.

Christ is a spirit that was used at the creation.

Thats what you fail to see because you assume the church has been right for the past 2000 years.

Jesus became the Christ (anointed) when he was baptized with the logos. The logos is the word of God, the express image, the spirit Son of the most high. The first of all creation, firstborn of all creatures.

You have to deal with that BR. The world is not flat and is not the center of the Universe.


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[keypurr]

BR, the word is not Jesus. Learn that and you might see the pieces fall into place for you.


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[keypurr]

We ALL have our own spirit.

Jesus says that HE HIMSELF will live in the saved.

Now try to answer the question.

The logos spoke through Jesus.
The logos is a spirit.
Jesus is the body God provided to hold the logos, spirit son of the most high. Heb 10:5.

The word became flesh. That means the word was not human, it became human in the body of Jesus. The logos came down from heaven to manifest (make known) God to us.




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[Lazy afternoon]

You are as confused as Keypurr.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature


Try believing what the Bible actually says, and become a Bible believer.

LA

 

[Lazy afternoon]

Just time to awaken!!! Firstborn is positional, nothing else. He is not the firstborn creature.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

So says you. Jesus is the Word who became flesh. John 1:14

No.

Jesus is the result of the word become flesh--

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

 

[Lazy afternoon]

We ALL have our own spirit.

Jesus says that HE HIMSELF will live in the saved.

Now try to answer the question.

You have one man dwelling in another.

Only through the Holy Spirit of His Father can He live in people.

LA

 

[Lazy afternoon]

The word became flesh BEFORE He was filled with the Holy spirit of His Father,

and it was not completed until He was filled with Gods Word, well baked.