Jesus is God? Or Jesus is begotten of God?

Grosnick Marowbe · Oct 9, 2015

Greg Jennings said:
I only reject the Bible as proof because Christians reject any other holy book as proof. Does that make sense?

By proof I'm normally talking about tangible, measurable, real-world evidence.

You're on a Christian Forum. Any proof used will come from a
Christian perspective. So, what are you actually looking for?
Perhaps you've chosen the wrong venue?

Greg Jennings · Oct 9, 2015

Grosnick Marowbe said:
You're on a Christian Forum. Any proof used will come from a
Christian perspective. So, what are you actually looking for?
Perhaps you've chosen the wrong venue?

I disagree. There are many here who see things from multiple perspectives, or from one perspective that is non-Christian. It's a surprisingly varied Christian forum

Grosnick Marowbe · Oct 9, 2015

Greg Jennings said:
I disagree. There are many here who see things from multiple perspectives, or from one perspective that is non-Christian. It's a surprisingly varied Christian forum

There's only one "Holy Book" and that's the written Word of God. (The Bible.)

Greg Jennings · Oct 9, 2015

Grosnick Marowbe said:
There's only one "Holy Book" and that's the written Word of God. (The Bible.)

And a Muslim would say "there is only one "Holy Book" and that's the written Word of God (The Koran)." It's simply a matter of which faith you were brought up in for the vast majority of people

Right Divider · Oct 9, 2015

Greg Jennings said:
That's your opinion. But unless you can offer some sort of proof then you should respect their opinions as well.

And no, the Bible isn't proof anymore than the Koran is. I trust you don't consider the Koran proof of anything?

You have a funny idea of truth where everyone's claims are just a valid as everyone else's. What a mess!

Greg Jennings · Oct 9, 2015

Right Divider said:
You have a funny idea of truth where everyone's claims are just a valid as everyone else's. What a mess!

In politics it's called "democracy." In everyday life it's called "being respectful."

Ben Masada · Oct 9, 2015

Jesus is God? Or Jesus is begotten of God?

Neither. Jesus was neither God nor begotten of God unless you are asking from the point of view of Paul's gospel. (Acts 9:20)

Jesus was a Jew begotten of Joseph and Mary.

The only option you are left with by denying that fact is in John 8:41, that Jesus was born out of corruption.

Right Divider · Oct 9, 2015

Greg Jennings said:
I only reject the Bible as proof because Christians reject any other holy book as proof. Does that make sense?

No.

Greg Jennings said:
By proof I'm normally talking about tangible, measurable, real-world evidence.

Yes, the atheistic materialist world-view.

Right Divider · Oct 9, 2015

Greg Jennings said:
In politics it's called "democracy." In everyday life it's called "being respectful."

All views do NOT deserve the same respect, or was Hitler OK too?

Bright Raven · Oct 9, 2015

Greg Jennings said:
I only reject the Bible as proof because Christians reject any other holy book as proof. Does that make sense?

By proof I'm normally talking about tangible, measurable, real-world evidence.

Why would you reject the truth?

John 17:17 New King James Version (NKJV)

17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.

jamie · Oct 9, 2015

Greg Jennings said:
Do you believe that you could if you were going to drown otherwise?

It's the Father's choice. I'm good either way.

Greg Jennings · Oct 9, 2015

Right Divider said:
All views do NOT deserve the same respect, or was Hitler OK too?

When one's views infringe on the rights of others they are no longer tolerable. That's the reason why Kentucky Kim was wrong to not give out marriage licenses. Nothing about discussing theology infringes upon one's rights.

Greg Jennings · Oct 9, 2015

Bright Raven said:
Why would you reject the truth?

John 17:17 New King James Version (NKJV)

17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.

Because your "truth" is not what everyone would consider to be "truth." I'm not rejecting your "truth" any more than you reject a Jew's or Muslim's "truth."

Greg Jennings · Oct 9, 2015

Right Divider said:
Yes, the atheistic materialist world-view.

:ha:
Because all scientists are atheists, right?

Greg Jennings · Oct 9, 2015

jamie said:
It's the Father's choice. I'm good either way.

Ok

keypurr · Oct 9, 2015

Bright Raven said:
Why would you reject the truth?

John 17:17 New King James Version (NKJV)

17 Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.

Folks see truth in a different way BR.

How do you know that you have truth?

Faith is one thing, truth is another, he is respecting the rights of others to think in their own way.

keypurr · Oct 9, 2015

Greg Jennings said:
Because your "truth" is not what everyone would consider to be "truth." I'm not rejecting your "truth" any more than you reject a Jew's or Muslim's "truth."

You seem like an honest and sincere person Greg. You respect folks to think for themselves.

RCLady · Oct 9, 2015

Greg Jennings said:
Christians here at TOL, do you believe that God and Jesus are the exact same being? Or do you think that Jesus is divine and begotten of God but not the same being?

From the words of the new testament it seems to me that Jesus is a separate entity. For example he says that even he doesn't know when the end times are, and that only God does. How could Jesus not know what God does if they are the exact same being?

This is what I believe:

The Trinity and the Incarnation

There is one God in Three Divine Persons (Father, Son and Holy Ghost). The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God; yet they are not three gods, but One God. The Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, the Son of God, assumed a human nature and became man from the flesh of the Virgin Mary. Our Lord Jesus Christ is one Divine Person with two natures: divine and human. He is God and man. The Trinity (One God: Father, Son and Holy Ghost) and the Incarnation are the two most essential mysteries of the Catholic Faith which no one above reason can be ignorant of and be saved.

http://www.mostholyfamilymonastery.com/catholicchurch/basic-catholic-facts/#.VhgD4Stvp-w

You will notice that when Jesus Christ speaks in His divinity He uses the word 'I' (ex. "You have heard that it was said...But I tell you...") but when He speaks in His humanity He refers to Himself as 'the Son' or 'the Son of Man' (ex. "But of that day or hour no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father.")**

**Nor the Son. Not that the Son of God is absolutely ignorant of the day of judgment, but that He knoweth it not, as our teacher; that is, He knoweth it not so as to teach it to us, as not being expedient. (Douay-Rheims footnote)

Greg Jennings · Oct 9, 2015

keypurr said:
You seem like an honest and sincere person Greg. You respect folks to think for themselves.

I appreciate that you see that keypurr, truly

Greg Jennings · Oct 9, 2015

RCLady said:
This is what I believe:

You will notice that when Jesus Christ speaks in His divinity He uses the word 'I' (ex. "You have heard that it was said...But I tell you...") but when He speaks in His humanity He refers to Himself as 'the Son' or 'the Son of Man' (ex. "But of that day or hour no man knoweth, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father.")**

**Nor the Son. Not that the Son of God is absolutely ignorant of the day of judgment, but that He knoweth it not, as our teacher; that is, He knoweth it not so as to teach it to us, as not being expedient. (Douay-Rheims footnote)

Interesting post. Thank you for participating

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