keypurr
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So are we.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. (Romans 8:14 NKJV)
No we are not the flesh sons of God.
So are we.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. (Romans 8:14 NKJV)
Is this the same Spirit that John was born with?
Paul says there is only one Spirit. Jesus was led by that Spirit.
There are many sons of God.
Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness..." (Genesis 1:26 NKJV)
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. (John 1:3 NKJV)
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us... (John 1:14 NKJV)
A thought: "The Word was with God...." I have thought that God's Thoughts precede His actions? Himself as multi-faceted entity would not preclude Jesus/Son/Savior as being God Himself?
This is theological stuff and I am open to instruction and or correction in this area.
Christ spoke and worked through Jesus.
Christ spoke and worked through Jesus.
And is this "us" God + Jesus or God + angels or God + both?
In chronology we can assume God's thought/plan/logic precedes his actions, so the 'logos' was in towards 'God' or within Him from eternity as a hidden potential as it were. This logos would be 'divine' by origination or nature (to some degree), being an emenation/offspring or creative expression(creation) of God.
IF the logos was in any way 'begotten' (before creation) and in the person of Jesus via the 'incarnation', in the sense of a generation of some kind taking place, which would be the case in the 'birth' of the man Jesus (no matter when the 'logos' took up residence in or came upon Jesus)...then such is a beginning of existence in space-time.
In this sense 'Christ' is not 'unbegotten' as only God the Father is (as having no beginning, being 'unborn'),...because he is the special and unique 'begotten' Son of God. We can even say (as some Arians even admit) that in John 1:18 (note some manuscripts say "only begotten God"), that Jesus is a kind of 'begotten God', a begotten divinity or a 'god', and STILL in this relational context, Christ is different from and subordinate to the Father. He is divine by origination/special creation or 'begettting' in a 'special' and 'unique' way being the Firstborn,...but this does not (necessarily) make him the same 'being' or 'essence' of God the Father. (this very point of likeness or unlikeness between God and Christ is the crux of the debate).
Christ still holds all the qualifications and requirements to be Lord, Messiah, Savior, Deliverer, etc.....as the only 'begotten' Son of God (this 'begetting' in his case is 'special' and 'unique'). Therefore on some levels I see the whole Arian Controversy as a strenuous debate over terms and definitions influenced by so much political or state pressures in the various church councils over 'doctrine', until the factions of bishops/priests that got more support by the state gained victory which ultimately put the supporters of the Nicean Creed (Trinitarians) ontop, although Arian theology did have state sanction for some decades during the the controversy, as the tides went back n forth for a period of at least 50 years.
For more on this research the teaching of Arius and Arian Controversy. - if time/interest permits I may began a new thread on Arianism.
Thank you Freelight!
Interesting. Luke thought it was the Father who worked through Jesus.
Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know... (Acts 2:22 NKJV)
Why do you believe Luke was mistaken?
God the Father spoke and worked through Jesus.
John 5:19 New King James Version (NKJV)
19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner.
No, there is only one express image spirit son and he was in Jesus only.
The express image is NOT the Holy Spirit.
So I think it was Christ that he was anointed with.
The angels are created beings and nowhere does it say that they are made in the image of God. That is only said of man.And is this "us" God + Jesus or God + angels or God + both?
You should explore older posts and study in Our Triune God Thread by LON. Many folks debated, studied, and discussed this in very very great detail. It may be in Theology Club though, now that I think of it, so this thread may do well. You can't get the answers in a few posts. You can, but then the debate begins.
Colossians 1:14 KJV and 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20
Christians here at TOL, do you believe that God and Jesus are the exact same being? Or do you think that Jesus is divine and begotten of God but not the same being?
From the words of the new testament it seems to me that Jesus is a separate entity. For example he says that even he doesn't know when the end times are, and that only God does. How could Jesus not know what God does if they are the exact same being?
Complete and utter confusion.God did not pretend to come as a Man He really came as a Man.
As a Man, God did not know as much as God the Father.
Jesus is God the Father come in the flesh as a Son of Man.