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You can understand man making a clone of themselves, but you cannot understand God coming as a Man?
Jesus is God? Or Jesus is begotten of God?
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You can understand man making a clone of themselves, but you cannot understand God coming as a Man?
Greg Jennings
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Why is that? Not challenging you here just curious
God's Truth
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He is intimidated by the Truth.
Right Divider
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Jesus is God the Father come in the flesh as a Son.
There are three, and the three are one and the same.
You make three different and separate Gods, and then call them one.
Lon
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John 1:1 "...with [both] and was..." not either/or. All cults are 'cults' because they think 'either/or' instead of reading plain English: "...was with God AND was God..." (both/and). How? is not as important as the reported fact. That is what every cult misses on this: Jesus Christ the Word-made-flesh, is both '...with God and was [is] God." That verse is incredibly clear.
keypurr
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The spirit Christ is a Spirit of God.
Jesus did not pre-exist birth. Christ is not a name for non-messiahs, and David was a messiah by Jewish Law. The logos and the tetragrammaton YHWH are one and same in John 1:1-3. The Holy Spirit is God as father. Mary's virginity didn't cause her to be pure. If Jesus was part of Yahweh, the resurrection would have had nay a merit. Should we believe God raises the dead based a psuedo god the son?
keypurr
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I disagree, Jesus was baptized with the Holy Spirit AND power. Acts 10:38. The express image was given the fullness of the Father, that is a lot of power.
keypurr
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Now try it in this language Lon.
ARAMAIC ENGLISH NEW TESTAMENT
YOCHANAN (JOHN)
Chapter 1
1. In the beginning was the Miltha. And that Miltha was with Elohim. And Elohim was that Miltha.
2. This was with Elohim in the beginning.
3. Everything existed through his hands……….
Miltha refers to the “Manifestation” of the Ruach haKodesh within Mashiyach. The physical body of Mashiyach is not the Word of YHWH, but his words and actions demonstrate the Will and Word of YHWH, which upholds observance of Torah.
Miltha is the spiritual son of Elohim (God).
Mashiyach refers to Messiah Y’shua (Jesus Christ)
YHWH is the name of the most high God.
Ruach haKodesh is the Holy Spirit.
Elohim is God or a god, it can refer to more than the creator.
The Greek to English translations only confuse the truth.
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The passage refers to a singular logos, which is the hebrew name of God. A logos is just one statement in Greek, and the word logoi is also used in the New Testament.
For example Matthew 7:26, καὶ πᾶς ὁ ἀκούων μου τοὺς λόγους τούτους καὶ μὴ ποιῶν αὐτοὺς ὁμοιωθήσεται ἀνδρὶ μωρῷ ὅστις ᾠκοδόμησεν τὴν οἰκίαν αὐτοῦ ἐπὶ τὴν ἄμμον
"And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:"
freelight
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Considering textual evidence for the right rendering of Matt. 24:36
Considering textual evidence for the right rendering of Matt. 24:36
Hi RD,
You may be aware that more evidence exists in more reliable manuscripts (external and internal) for the inclusion of "nor the Son" in the verse Matt. 24:36, as its clearly stated also in Mark 13:32, of the Son not knowing the time of his coming, but only the Father. If it is true that the more reliable manuscripts and external/internal evidence for the inclusion of "nor the Son" support this rendering, then to be "textually accurate" we have the Son NOT knowing, which implies limited knowledge. If you'd like to look at a good analysis of this with a conclusion see this article here.
Here are a few translations that DO have the inclusion of "nor the Son" in their translations because of manuscript evidence. Of course some manuscripts omit "nor the Son", but you'll see that theological issues (during the height of the Arian controversy) probably were behind the omission in some manuscripts, but not all.
Considering textual evidence for the right rendering of Matt. 24:36
Hi RD,
You may be aware that more evidence exists in more reliable manuscripts (external and internal) for the inclusion of "nor the Son" in the verse Matt. 24:36, as its clearly stated also in Mark 13:32, of the Son not knowing the time of his coming, but only the Father. If it is true that the more reliable manuscripts and external/internal evidence for the inclusion of "nor the Son" support this rendering, then to be "textually accurate" we have the Son NOT knowing, which implies limited knowledge. If you'd like to look at a good analysis of this with a conclusion see this article here.
Here are a few translations that DO have the inclusion of "nor the Son" in their translations because of manuscript evidence. Of course some manuscripts omit "nor the Son", but you'll see that theological issues (during the height of the Arian controversy) probably were behind the omission in some manuscripts, but not all.
Dear Greg,
You ask some VERY Pertinent questions, I must admit. Even things I didn't think of. Jesus was supposed to know when the time was near, but not the day or hour. That's all. Still, this being the case, you can tell that God is the Father and Jesus the Son, or Jesus would not be the exact same being as God. They ARE DIFFERENT!!! Well, your third post has a powerful pack to it also. About the seals being opened. Worthy is the Lamb to break the seals. I know what you are saying!! Very Good Job!!
Praise The Lord!!
Michael
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Your disagreement is with scripture, not with me. The Holy Spirit is not given through baptism, it is given through anointing which is what the Greek Christos means. Jesus of Nazareth is the Anointed One not the baptized One.
...God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit... (Acts 10:38 NKJV)
Jamie Gigliotti
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In my humble opinion, the oneness of God, the oneness of the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, and even those that make up the Spiritual Body of Christ, His church is beyond our earthly comprhension, our minds have limits here. I do think its awesome to try and understand God more, but with an understanding we have limits, so our pursuit won't inhibit what we can grasp. At one time in my life my desire to know the answers with absolute certainty to such questions left me thinking in my pride it was all meaningless. As if I could somehow totally understand God.
"The exact same being" question, in my understanding would be no. The differences I see that don't have to inhibit oneness are location, authority and form. The question for us to answer the best we can is what is God's oneness.
God says He fills the Heavens and the Earth, obviously that is His Spirit, as Jesus says "Our Father who art in Heaven". Jesus said many times His Father was in Heaven and He was going back to Him there In my mind the form and location really are just window dressing in our minds and the real oneness comes in the essence of who God is. The same mind, the same love, the same Holiness, the same power, the same unity among the Father, His Son and the Holy Spirit. They agree always; they are one. The only difference among them is who has the final Authority. Jesus made that perfectly clear in everything He did and said that the Father is the Orchestrator.
False Prophet
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Constantine introduced the Greek οὐσία meaning the same substance which the Father and the Son were.
Zeke
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Depending on ones interpretation of the words, the strict legal aspect of the meanings of them differ from the common use of them, The Order/Priest class use them differently than the profane/common man/beast of the field under their debt scheme of the OT.
Matt 11:11 throws some unwanted light on the light Jesus represented and the meaning of his type of birth in flesh Galatians 4:28, as well as Luke 17:20-21 concerning the location of the Kingdom of God which is a inward story told in various outward drama/parabolic/allegorical ways through ancient writings. The literal obsession of the drama being actual history in the observable kingdom of men is the killer/mental slavery 2Cor 3:6.
The two Fathers, Mothers, and Siblings through scripture shows the first represents the physical birth while the second is the spiritual one in the first born of the flesh Galatians 4:24-28, Gen 32:30, not two separate physical siblings, but the dual mind becoming one/balanced in a physical kingdom/world run on perverted duality.
Right Divider
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Total hogwash unsupported by scripture.
I guess that you think Jesus was always talking to Himself.
Ben Masada
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Jesus is God? Or Jesus is begotten of God?
Neither. Jesus was neither God nor begotten of God. He was rather against the idolatry of comparing God with a man. (Deut. 4:15,16)
Neither. Jesus was neither God nor begotten of God. He was rather against the idolatry of comparing God with a man. (Deut. 4:15,16)