1Mind1Spirit
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Is that where heliocentrism originated?
ECT Israel is not the BOC
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Is that where heliocentrism originated?
1Mind1Spirit
Literal lunatic
Interesting that Danoh brought up that Israel/Christ is called out of that comfort zone. :think:
No, Egypt was geocentric.
Their father was Joseph, the son of Jacob.
(Rom 11:23) And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.
Go back and read the Bible, they did indeed persist in unbelief.
There is a condition in verse 23.
Somehow you Darby Followers ignore that condition.
And their mother was Asenath, an Egyptian woman whom Pharaoh gave to Joseph as wife, and the daughter of Potipherah, a priest of On.
whitestone
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when you get to verse 25, Romans 11:25 KJV ask yourself if they can meet that condition while they are blinded or "after"? you see as long as they are blinded they cannot until the fullness of the times of
the gentiles are come in.
If Romans was written in ad57-58 it had not yet come in(Rom.11:25 KJV) So if they were blinded in ad57-58 then in ad57-58 they could not meet the condition in verse 23. If they are "Israel" (that's what they are called in Romans 11) then in ad57-58 then "that" Israel was blinded because the times of the gentiles were not yet full.
Which is why the apostles said to honour Rome as if still over them Romans 13:1 KJV ,1 peter 2:13-14 KJV at that time. And is why they (those in the siege in ad66-70 did not have the mark of the beast) that is they refused to honour Caesar as over them still(did not worship the beast) nor did they buy and sell with his money(minted their own) and is why you have no beast in your eschatology(remember that marble I still like playing with it?).
Yes, but they were still Israelites.
Satan is the one who blinded them, not God.
(2 Cor 4:4) The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
That wasn't a future event to Paul. It was a present event. That's why Paul quoted Jer 31 in the passage.
The fulness had come in. That is when Christ was sent, after the fulness of the nations.
They were blinded when they rejected Christ Jesus. Even before hand, when they killed the prophets.
The times of the Gentiles were full when Christ was born. That's why He came when He did.
Dispensationalism has confused you so much, I don't even know where to begin with you.
whitestone
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In Romans 11:8 KJV Paul says God did in the context of this chapter and Jesus states it in Luke 21:24 KJV and John explains it in John 12:38-41 KJV
whitestone
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I should have also shown (when) see Romans 11:8 KJV also,,,"unto this day"=ad57-58...scratch when you think so the scriptures say when.
2 Cor 4:4 says that it is Satan who blinds people. Romans 11:4 says God gave them "a spirit of stupor".
I don't think that's the verse you mean.
See 2 Cor 4:4
Um....that's what I have been saying.
(Acts 7:52) Was there ever a prophet your ancestors did not persecute? They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous One. And now you have betrayed and murdered him--
The Jews had been wicked for many years.
whitestone
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Jews? Israel,Ephraim,or the gentiles? Man make up your mind I already showed you it says Israel throughout Romans 11...
:duh:
The Israelites from the 10 tribes (house of Israel) did not murder the Righteous One. It was the Jews from the House of Judah who did.
I would suggest you do a study on the two houses (Israel & Judah).
The Israelites from the line of Ephraim became a multitude of nations.
Jacob also said that the line of Manasseh would become a great people.
Why can't anyone tell us about these multitude of nations, and great people?
whitestone
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Lack of belief.